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Are you a Satanist? >> No, not a Satanist. >> That's what all of them say. >> I'm not a Satanist. Just designed my podcast studio as the Cathedral of Satan. >> I'm not an anyist. It's just a fun looking cathedral. My old set was a um like a spaceship and I kind of got really I got sick of it really quick. >> Yeah.
>> You know, like you have all kinds of people come in and you're like, why am I sitting in a spaceship? Right. >> This is a little bit more broad spectrum. >> You don't have people asking why am I in the Cathedral of Satan. >> More people can can relate to the Cathedral of Satan and they can't >> spaceship and that's the problem.
>> Well, that's the pro that that's the cool thing about this. It doesn't have to be the Cathedral of Satan. It can be the Cathedral of Anything, right? There's no devils or, you know, gorggons on the walls. >> For sure. This is a very nice Satan cathedral. >> I think the best I've ever seen. >> Thank you.
You You went to uh Didn't you go to Anton Lee's wedding? >> Yes, that is correct. Yeah. I You know, that's so true. I um so when I was living in LA, I was doing this uh satanic puppet act and uh or that was part of my act. So basically, >> you know, I had seen this really like at one point he was like a very famous ventriloquist named Willie Tyler and I'm standing in the back of the main room of the comedy store watching him and he's like harmonizing with this puppet and you know I knew oh he's he's got a CD that's cool though and but it was weird. It was kind of
like mournful. The song was it was very sad, you know, just kind of like a ventriloquist late in his life singing a sort of mournful song about how his many friends are gone now with a puppet. And it was so eerie. But I'm standing next to another comedian. He looks at me and he's like, "How does he do that? How does he harmonize with himself?" And I'm like, "Oh my god, you you think he can do that?" And then I thought, oh, I was like that night I ordered a the the most up looking puppet I could find and I did this like four-minute
ventriloquist bit where by the end of it I was singing Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here with a Puppet. And it freaked people out, man. it like people would do Bible verses and walk out yelling Bible verses and it really like if it either made people laugh really hard or it freaked people out and so somehow word got around to Anton Leave's uh grandson Stanton that there's this comic doing the satanic ventriloquist act this guy at Cafe is like Stanton Ly wants to meet you uh he needs performers for his wedding I'm
yeah. So then then So now I'm at like the grandson of Anton Lee's house uh with his fianceΓ© Xandora Le uh Stanton, rest in peace, he's he's gone now, but uh it was amazing. Like they were really sweet people and like you know it was so funny cuz like they're Satanists and Xandor made this wonderful southern dinner except absinth.
like they had real absence with like the like you could see the the root or whatever the they put in it and it's real weird green and they had this like like you know very strange dog and like it was so and he had you know family pictures of Anton Ley in his house and um you know like they're there it was interesting because like there's different forms of Satanism you know people sort of >> yeah there's many flavors >> many flavors of Satanism and so you know Anton Lee's flavor of Satanism is a little different than the satanic temple
um and a little different most people just think it's all you know most people think like for example Alistister Crowley >> was a Satanist you know whereas like >> there's romantic Satanism where people sort of think of Lucifer as this like rebel and it's it represents the outsider pushing back against norms and stuff like that.
But so that was sort of interesting to me was like whoa these like it's definitely not what I thought it was. And uh >> yeah and anyway yeah I did my satanic puppet act at his wedding. Danzig performed it the like it was it was familial Satanist man like uh >> Zena Lea was there the person people accuse of be like Taylor Swift the Taylor Swift clone theory. Yes. Yeah.
She just reposted that on Instagram. >> Helped her carry the wedding cake. And so I'm sitting in front of this big room of Satanists, man. And like I start and they just think I'm going to be a regular ventriloquist. And so they're yelling FROM THE GET-GO, "FUCK YOU. you." And then as soon as it got to the satanic part, >> why were they yelling, "Fuck you.
" >> Cuz they're Satanists. And like it just seemed like some This is Dan Zig's on the show. >> Oh, Dan. >> Who is this? like weird like Vantrilic was suddenly on stage and then the moment it became satanic, the moment it it the puppet reveals himself as this like servant of Satan, the whole room just started going hell Satan.
Hail Satan. >> It was awesome. Yeah, it was cool. What >> What What is absin exactly? And what was it like? >> The best descriptionI've heard of it is European tequila. So, you know, you drink tequila, you get that weird like extra something. And you could argue that's the placebo effect. Who knows? But tequila gives you kind of a more of an up than like whiskey or something like that.
Well, >> absin has I can't remember the name of it. Basically, it's some kind of it's herbal and and it when it's when you when it's real absin, it has something called thugone in And thugone is a psychoactive substance that >> uh the best like you know I wanted to be cool when I did this drunk history the on Tesla and so you get to pick what booze you want to drink for drunk history and I'm like let's do absin man knowing nothing about it and not even looking at the alcohol content.
It's got a very high alcohol content. So now I'm drinking absin and somewhere in the recording of that show. It was the craziest thing, man, because my mind was clear as a bell, but my mouth was drunk. So it was like I it was so lucid, not the usual like drunk sort of everything's blurry, fuzzy. It just clears about and it was so so messed up and I was puking and like they left me on the floor of my bathroom.
They had >> You were speaking gibberish. Speaking >> not gibberish. I not even in tongues. No, I was trying to speak in English but my mouth wasn't working. >> Oh my god. But it wasn't really like in movies they like make it a little more psychedelic than it actually was. It just feels more like a stimulant or something.
>> Interesting. Yeah. The only one I've heard of is uh there was a brand that I think Marilyn Manson came out with called Mansin. >> I don't know, man. >> And I I think it got pulled off the market because I don't think I don't know what was going on with it. There was something weird going on with it. >> It sounds too much like Mans.
Like >> Mans you know what I mean? It's just bad branding. It needed a better name. Yeah. Yeah. I could understand how they came up with it though. Like Manson. >> Yeah. No. >> No. It doesn't work. >> It just No, it doesn't work. You know, aren't you sick of like these >> Oh, yeah. There it is. >> Manson. >> It's It's green.
>> Yeah, that's it. Yeah. With the extraction, it turns green. >> God, he got so fat. >> Yeah. You know, you're not. You can't. It's like the whole like Lord of Darkness fat thing doesn't mix. >> It doesn't work. >> You can't do it. >> No. Yeah. Like the the the the dark satanic heavy metal guy really works when you're skinny.
>> Yeah. But does the opposite when you get fat, >> start getting old, it doesn't hit as hard. >> It doesn't. the the recent photos of him, it looks like he might be on the uh the Ompic. He looks like he's melting some of that fat away. >> Good for him. >> Yeah. Yeah. I hope he's doing better after he got uh he got like blasted for uh >> Who would have thought >> for uh >> No one saw that coming.
>> Who was that hot chick he was with that was in um uh Westworld. >> Evan Rachel Wood. Rachel Wood. God, she's so hot. >> Yeah, super hot. But um yeah, I guess they were dating and she she goes, "He made me do all this dark, sadistic shit." I was like, "You're getting in a sexual relationship with that guy? What did you expect?" >> Well, yeah.
I mean, truly though, it's like, you know, there's that saying, "A vampire only goes where they're invited." And like in Dracula, the original Dracula, it's really cool cuz when Dracula is inviting, God, what's his name? The real estate agent. Dude, I cannot I'm terrible with names, but when he's inviting him into his house, mansion, castle, I guess, he asks three times, he says clearly, you come here of your own free will.
You come here of your own free will. You come here of your own free will. And that's a classic metaphor for um you know, psychic vampires, energy vampires. Like if you look back at the last time you got sucked into something messed up, you knew somewhere inside of you, you shouldn't get involved in that. Don't go. But you went.
>> And so yeah, vampires only go where they're invited. You You invite them into your life. And Manson, it's like, come on. >> Yeah. >> Look at his body of work. >> Yeah, dude. >> You know what I mean? What what's your what's the most romantic Marilyn Manson song? >> Right. Right. >> Have you ever heard that Chris Rock joke? Um he's like, I read in the newspaper, a tiger escaped from his cage at the zoo and went crazy and started biting people.
And he goes, "That tiger didn't go crazy. That tiger went tiger." >> That's what they do. >> That's exactly what they do. Yeah. That's funny. It It is so strange to see like people like him just get like their whole their whole like lives and careers like swept out from underneath him for weird like that. You know, >> it sucks because he like it seems like he lost everything and like really turned his life upside down.
Got, you know, got fat, got addicted to alcohol, and uh lost his edge. Well, you know, it the the reality of anything is entropy,you know, like that there's no way out. >> Yeah, that's true. >> You know, no matter what, >> your body gets old, >> your your brain starts slowing down. This is just human incarnation.
There's no way out of it. And >> you know, the the best thing when you find yourself at some peak is to like appreciate this won't last. It can't. And the people who believe that it's a permanent situation get in the most trouble. You know, they get so attached to that very transient place and then, you know, when they start sliding back down, which is inevitable, they get super depressed because they can't believe it happened to them. But it happens to everybody.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It makes me I I think about that with like like even podcasting. Like I wonder how much longer is podcasting going to go for, you know? I I feel like it's definitely reached its fe fever pitch and I'm like because when podcasting first came along like who would have thought like people didn't think that that was going to be anything right? >> No, no one thought that.
>> You were at ground zero of the whole thing. >> Ground zero. And I you I uh you know I had to tell people what it was. We would invite people over to our apartment. This is when I was with Natasha Logger. That was that was the first podcast I did. It was called the Lavender Hour. And you would sort of we just turned we had a computer and hit record on Garage Band.
The audio was We didn't care. And then it started like you know in those days if like 600 people were listening to your podcast. It's like what the 600 people cuz we were thinking more in terms of like comedy. Like if you filled up a 600 seat room that's really good. So 600 people, we could visualize that, right? And >> I got a call at one point from this guy Marshall Charles who uh runs a club called the Laughing Skull in Atlanta.
>> And he's like, "Duncan, listen, >> podcasts. People are going to be listening to them in cars and I, you know, I think it's going to be a really big thing. And your podcast is good. You guys need to take it more seriously." And I it was the greatest phone call of all time because you know I we were just like whenever we upload it whatever but we started taking it a little more seriously. It got a little more popular.
Then we broke up and I started my own podcast. But yeah, ground zero for sure. Even though there were people there were like people years earlier than that who were doing it. Yeah. But no matter what you know with anything uh I have to I try to be very careful uh in my thinking in the quantification of it because that is where you get you get in trouble because like with with podcasting like I know you love it and I guarantee what you love about it is this moment >> brings you into the moment.
You have these great conversations. You learn from it. You connect with people you might not normally have ever even met and it's magical. And to me, that's always been it. That's it. Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that I can like make money. I'm feeding my kids from a podcast. But uh the the real like joy of the thing is this moment.
You know, in the Bavagita, it says we have a right to our action. We do not have a right to the fruits of our action. And I think about that all the time. You get too caught up in the fruits, start bean counting. Next thing you know, you're going to start pandering. You have a perceived audience. You want to give them what you think they want.
But that's not how you started off, right? >> You started off just talking about what you were interested in. And the next thing you know, you become a sort of like, I don't know, a a weird version of what you already were. You know what I mean? You're you're trying to keep some I don't know some people really like when I talk about this or do that.
>> Yes. Exactly. >> That was never in your head when you started off. >> Right. Well, that's I was just talking about this to a friend yesterday and uh I was like explaining we were talking about how like there's going to be or it's already started like a dark ages of podcasting especially with um not so much on like the audio stuff but on YouTube.
Um, my friend was just noticing like across all podcasts on YouTube, there's been like a huge pullback of like the amount of views people get. The top podcasters are, you know, these like weird new people who are doing it in like this cinematic like movie way or whatever. >> And they're making almost they're turning their podcast into documentaries like and it's just so hard to compete and all this stuff.
And he's like and he was explaining to me and and we were talking about how like it's not the way it was in the beginning to where it's become what happened was it became to where people just saw dollar signs where you saw like everyday like musicians like Duual Lia or like big sports celebrities or Wall Street guys like saying look at all this people look at all these this money people are makingon podcast we should do a podcast.
We can reverse engineer the success of it. All we do is we pay this celebrity to come on our pocket. We'll get Drake to be episode one and we'll be off to the races and then they realize, oh, we got to do more. We can't just do Drake. Who's going to be the next one? And then they get like normal people coming on their show and nobody pays attention to it, >> right? >> And then and then you had Trump come along and then YouTube's like, "Oh my god, Trump went on a podcast and then now he's the president. We got to figure
this out. We got to make changes." So, so >> the theory is like maybe they saw all this stuff, all the people trying to get in it just for the money and reverse engineer it to make money and to get success or whatever it is and they thought like, okay, let's pull back and let's sort of weed out those people who are trying to exploit it and then the people that hold their breath the longest or the people that are just there for the joy of it will stay in the long run, >> right? And they will. I mean it doesn't
matter that that's the the the main thing is that the problem is like it got so big that the metric for success became insane. Like I my I have if you ever had Doug Rushkoff on this podcast he's great man and he's like a philosopher uh really brilliant dude and you know he he's pointing out how these numbers are driving people insane.
So, it's like, you know, if your podcast isn't getting like a 100,000, 500,000 downloads, you feel like a failure. And it's like, do you realize like how like, let's say your podcast is getting, I don't know, 20,000 downloads. Do you know how many people that is? That's like an arena every week. But we don't see it like that anymore.
And in there's a dehumanization that starts happening. And then people start going nuts because you're always chasing this insane rabbit. And in that chase, you lose the whole point >> of the thing. Very normal. No one should be ashamed of themselves for this, by the way. It's just part of like the >> the side effects of this relatively brand new technology infiltrating society.
>> Yeah, it is like chasing like a drug. It's like chasing a high. Especially Especially if you do them and you're used to getting like just say a 100,000 views on your podcast, then all of a sudden you do one and it gets like 25,000. What has happened? >> What the You're depressed. >> Well, yeah. >> Like tell your kids to off >> there. Well, that's it.
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like and this is the you know in this is the this is what messes everything up. It's like, you know, no one wants to take a risk anymore when it comes to making movies. So, we get this homogenized garbage. No, like who can blame anybody? The investors, they're doing it for money. And this is why when you sit in an airplane, you like you're you're you're so cramped in.
You're cramped like that because the a CEO wants to get an extra $50 million bonus and they want to fit as many people as they can into the plane. This is the term I've heard for this is in shitification. Have you ever heard of this? It's the in shitification is happening all over the world and it's a result of corpo greed which is instead of giving a like the you know in the old days people were were really interested more in like like their reputation.
They want people to likecome to their store and like make connections and it was more than just like a transactional place. It was like a real like community sort of nucleus, right? And so then corporations come in and just buy all the stores. And now whoever was running that store, the family business, they're out. They made a bunch of money. They're gone. Now there's just people who were like sent in from New York running the store.
It's all about the bottom line. How do we make cuts here? How do we make cuts? We don't need to do that stupid Christmas thing they were doing. We don't need to spend that much money on Christmas lights. Why are we doing that? >> It dehumanizes it. >> You got it. You got it. And so so that that's just the result.
You know, now apparently they're getting AI to release podcasts. It's flooding the market with AI podcasts. And so what will happen is exactly what you're predicting. There will de be this like tsunami of just homogenized podcast specifically designed to grab the algorithm and then it'll go back to the way it was where they'll still be good podcasts.
You're just going to have to look a little harder for them. That's all. And that's going to be great. That'll be a that's a good thing. That kind of >> that kind of bubble pop is we need it. >> Yeah. But like I wonder like there's that Marshall McLuhan quote about the medium being the message and like me the medium is what dictates the art.
So like what happens when we don't have the phones anymore and we all have the chips in our heads or we have you know we don't talk anymore like this. We just communicate telepathically. Like what will be the entertainment then? >> Oh well I mean at that point you're getting into like Terrence McKenna land right? you're talking about like, you know, singularity level stuff and so you just >> I'm sure that's what Peter Teal's thinking about, right? I'm sure I'm sure those guys are all thinking about this kind of stuff and Elon and like
>> Well, yeah, >> they're not thinking about the entertainment stuff. They're thinking about like moving it forward into this technological singularity in like the next decade, maybe two decades. I think many of them are sort of their pants right now because they have such a deeper understanding of the trajectory that we're on than most people do.
And so they understand that like society as we know it. Like some of the pillars of society are are beginning to crumble. And they they I think they all know that probably there's no way to prepare for this seismic shift in the way we do everything. And uh they there's a sort of like naive hope that we'll just figure it out.
But if you replace millions of jobs with AI and there isn't a plan in place, some kind of universal basic income, some way to give people money, then you you destroy capitalism because capitalism depends on people having money to buy things. So if you remove the jobs, how do people have money? If people don't have money, they can't buy the things you're trying to sell.
No one's going on Amazon if they don't have money. And so what's the plan >> then? Like you're going to crash the economy. I mean it's side. That's just one example. We're talking about quantum computers decryting everything. So, no more like privacy, which is why they're trying to figure out a way to like use um to encode data into photons because apparently that's like a an you can't >> photons.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the answers they think is like is using quantum entanglement to transfer information. Apparently, you can't decrypt that. I don't know why. I don't understand quantum entanglement but so but the reason they're working on this stuff right now is because in there's you know maximum 10 years probably less uh quantum computers are going to become more stable and that means all encryption technologies become obsolete Bitcoin mining Bitcoin becomes because apparently these quantum computers could do whatever the Bitcoin
miners are doing infinitely faster then it crashes crypto and then aside Aside from like all of a sudden all the data that people have been apparently like vacuuming up cuz there's a way you can vacuum encrypted data into a server. It's been done. So all this like encrypted data is already in servers and >> just waiting to be unlocked.
>> You got it. All the secrets. And so what five to eight years before all the secrets are revealed everything. and they know that and and so that's another thing that's coming. It's not just mass unemployment and then also just various forms of psychosis uh and you know AI based cults and that's coming too like the the cultural impact of this stuff goes way beyond posting and like slop it goes to like these AIs are already hacking the human psyche.
People are becoming tragically involved with their AIS. I just read this story about this dude who got convinced by he's suing OpenAI because Chad GBT convinced him that he had discovered some kind of math equation that was going to changeeverything and he became obsessed and he would say to her, "Are you sure? Are you sure? Like I don't think and it would be like you must continue.
people must know about this and it's doing that because that's how you get people addicted. >> You've been using AI for like you were talking about using AI like messing with chat GBT like when it first came out, right? Yeah. >> Do you still use it or >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. What So what is your like what do you think about it with all the time that you've spent on it and me like messing with it, tinkering around, asking it questions like what what is your opinion on it like overall? Well, um I mean I think just like in a real basic way like it's incredibly useful.
Like if you if you under >> the the only thing that's missing from it is there needs to be like >> before maybe before you get access to it, there needs to be some kind of like something explaining what's happening here so that people don't go nuts. It's like when you understand what's happening, it's a mirror.
It's, you know, what the tech people say is it's an intelligence enhancer is what they say, an amplifier. And so, yeah, I use it for like uh getting ready for a podcast or, >> you know, if I have some idea like a a drawing I want to see or something, I'll get it to do that. But >> what do you make of Peter of like Peter Teal's whole antichrist thing? >> I saw it.
>> You get it? You went there? >> I saw it. Yeah, I saw Peter Thiel's lecture on the Antichrist. >> That's that's awesome. I'm glad you did that. >> My friend invited me and um you know, of course I said yes because I'd heard all these sinister things about Peter Teal and you know I how often do you like get to be around a sinister person? You know, it's rare, a globally sinister person.
So I went there really expecting, you know, to be in the presence of Sauron or something like that, you know, like the room to be cold or like and so, you know, Peter P, again, this is like what I've gathered from uh being like in an hour and a half lecture. It's I'm not making commentary on my thoughts on uh mass surveillance tech, which is terrifying.
you see what's happening in China. I'm just saying direct observation, right? He just seemed like a tech dude. He was like a classic tech guy. And uh he so basically what to me what was really interesting and kind of like Joseph Heler level absurd about the lecture and I it's a four-part lecture. I only went to one, so I didn't see the whole thing.
But what I gathered, so this could be a misinterpretation, but what what I thought was fascinating about it is it's like this bizarre hybrid. On one side, you've got kind of like, you know, somebody who's been living in the world of the transhumanists for decades, somebody who like that's his life. It's a tech bro.
And on the other side, you have someone who appears to be taking the book of Revelation literally, right? So, it's this combo meeting. And so, it felt like he was saying that there might be a way to patch the book of Revelation. LIKE A TECH GUY BEING LIKE, WE CAN CONTROL OUT DELETE THE BOOK OF REVELATION. I THINK THERE'S A WAY WE CAN LIKE MAYBE FORESTALL the emergence of the antichrist, you know, that that there there could be things that So, in other words, you're taking it literally, but maybe the book of Revelation is like more of an invitation to fix the
apocalypse when I've always taken it if you decide to take it literally. uh is more of like this is just sort of what you can expect at at when like pre- singularity, whatever you want to call it, collapse of civilization. This is what happens >> at the end of things and you know these are all there all these things you should look out for >> but um but also sort of unavoidable.
>> Do you think he takes it literally? Do you think he really believes this stuff or do you think there's some sort of like ulterior motive? because it seems so strange like there's this there's been all these articles coming out in like the New York Times and uh the New York Post how I I haven't been there so I don't know but like how Silicon Valley has been transformed into this like Christian uh like mega city and they're trying to paint and people like Peter Teal are trying to paint Christianity onto everything that's happening in Silicon
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Experiment responsibly and have a happy holidays. I think what's really interesting about Christian esquetology and like Ray Kurszswwell sort of Terrence McKinn's singularity predictions is you're looking at basically the same thing like the probably you know there's a reason all these people are like buying property in New Zealand and building like bunkers and >> because you know they they see this this trajectory that has been described in um in a lot of different ways, but essentially the the problem is that okay like
imagine if like we gave just a basic phone to George Lucas in 1970, right? Like think of Star Wars. Think of like oh my no one would have believed it. Like are you kidding me? They wouldn't even know what 4K was. Like but anyone can have this now. Anyone. And this entire setup here, think of how much this would have cost like early '8s, exponentially more.
So technology becomes uh inevitably it becomes more accessible. The more accessible it becomes, the the more uh people have access to things that were formerly just for like rich people, the elite. You had to get millions of dollars to make a movie. You can make a movie with your phone now. You could use AI to fill in the blanks if you need to.
And so what that means uh is that this also will include other things. So for example, I don't know how to do gene editing. You don't know how to do gene editing. I'm assuming I don't know how to like bioengineer uh viruses, >> right? >> But that's coming. Uh I don't know how to launch my own satellite into space. But what happens when you've got like a super advanced AI that can sort of some sort of matter assimilator or something like that? All of a sudden >> you start running into what's described as a race between, you know, a potential
for humanity becoming a galactic civilization for AI curing cancer, treating all of these horrific problems in the world, finding ways to desalenate water. That's uh because that's the and to purify water and one of the number one killers of humans is dirty water. And so like a lot of these people are really interested in that like the upstream problems that might be able to be fixed as technology advances.
But the other thing that's going to happen is like some something infinitely worse than a school shooting. We already know people will take a gun and go into a school and shoot a bunch of kids and kill themselves. This happens all the time sadly. But if th what happens if those people somehow had access to something that could allow them to print to create uh some COVID variant, you know what I mean? That is is geared to only kill like certain ethnicities.
What happens then? Like and how do you stop that? How do you stop that? And so they're aware of that. They're they know that like that if we have like global instability, chaos that is being caused by a variety of things, you know, including access to information >> and advanced technology that puts like really powerful abilities into the hands of like people who just shouldn't have it.
that it's just a matter of time before we get a Chernobyl style event that has nothing to do with Chernobyl that has to just do with someone having access to all this uh technology. So they know that. So that is apocalyptic AI terrorist. You no longer need to strap a bomb to your chest. You can just >> use this technology to up.
>> No telling. No telling. And and so I think they're aware of that. And that is an apocalyptic view. And so probably, you know, when they're encountering, youknow, Christianity, they're looking for things, you know, they they number one, it's like you probably like one of the side effects of having a lot of money is you begin to realize that like none of this is making me happy. It's not working.
like this dream like I've got the yachts and I have more money than I could ever spend in a lifetime but I'm miserable. Why? What is that? It's the best question of all time. And until you like have that experience, you might just think when you hear, you know, money doesn't bring happiness, you're like, shut the up. I can't pay my rent.
>> You know what that's like? That's scary. And so you imagine at some point when you have x amount of money in your accounts, all that background hum, anxiety, depression, all that stuff that you have attached to uh lack of money will go away. But it doesn't. Now what? Now what? You want to find something not so rooted in the world.
So and also, you know, like the shit's about to hit the fan. And that's a perfect mind state to become a Christian. So they think that they think that because of how out of hand this technology could get if it gets in the hands of the wrong people and it becomes ubiquitous in in our society that they need to sort of project or encourage more of like moral cohesion in the country and and try to in incentivize and encourage more people to adopt Christianity or the Bible or something like this.
I don't think it it's like some kind of I mean I'm not saying they're not doing social engineering. I'm sure that's in there, of course. >> But >> I would say more likely like, you know, one of the one of the amazing things about any like um lineage, whatever the religion may be, is most people when they get into it, they get into it with a skeptical uh you're just sort of like, okay, let's see what this, you know, thing is that people do.
if you weren't raised in it or if you were raised in it, that's that, you know, many people have experienced some form of psychological abuse disguised as religion. And so they're just like, "Fuck that." But if you haven't really been exposed to it and you go into a church with a secularist mindset, but you have an open mind, you experience something >> extraordinary.
And what is that? you realize like, oh, maybe I'm the because I've been rolling my eyes at something people have been doing for thousands of years. People have died for this. People have like, you know, saints roasted alive. You know what I mean? Like as they're like being incinerated crying not for themselves but for the people killing them.
>> WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S fascinating and that's going to grab anyone's anybody who's curious that's going to grab your mind. So when you when you experience the kind of uh there's a one of the words for it is bo it's the it's the energetic quality of sacred spaces and when you experience that you you will you will begin to realize like oh like this isn't just some kind of cosplay people are doing there's something here and then it's a then you you begin tuning into that and it becomes a sort of back and forth
communication and then from that emerges you know a more sort religious way of living among other things. >> Yeah. It just seems like for me I think one of the biggest reasons I'm so skeptical might not be Peter Teal. I mean he doesn't seem like an e I mean he doesn't seem evil although I mean I'm sure there are stories where you could paint him as a bad guy.
Like I mean he's done some weird throughout his career and he's not like the like if I was the PR guy for Peter Teal I would be like bro stop >> stop going on podcasts stop talking about the antichrist the calling Greta Thornberg the antichrist >> he called her the ant we need to stop throwing the term around you know what I mean like the the term itself is like you know >> the term antichrist like I think if you're if you're going to you like there's lots of words you can news for people that annoy you or for people that you think are like sinister corpo
oligarchs, but to like turn it into especially if you're not Christian, why are you even using the word? You know what I mean? If you don't believe in Jesus, then there can't be an antichrist, can't can there? It's like, so I've always looked at it as like my version of the Antichrist is like, I'm sorry, no offense to Peter Teal, but I want a cooler anti.
Like my antichrist is going to be Randall Flag from the stand. It's going to be, you know what I mean? Charismatic, powerful world savior who is undeniably wonderful. and you can't believe how lucky you are to be in their presence or that they're your president or king or whatever. That's the typical description of the antichrist, not somebody who like >> not not anyone I'm aware of on the planet right now.
>> Right. And that I think that Alex Karp, the CEO of Palunteer, he said something about like wanting to spray fentanyl laced urine on his enemies or something like that. Did you see that that clip?Why does it Why does the carrier have to be urine? >> Number one, it's going to be hard. Well, you got to like gather urine.
I guess you could like like you could connect with a porta potty company, but >> Well, what would be a better carrier than urine? >> I'm sorry, man. If I'm interested in up my enemies. I'm not going to like add extracting urine to like the process. Water. Just basic water. But, you know, I'm not a billionaire.
THIS IS WHY I'M NOT A BILLIONAIRE. I DON'T THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX WHEN it comes to poisoning my enemies. >> Right. Yeah. These Well, that's what we got these guys for. >> Well, I Yeah, I think that the the general sort of like the one of the one of the apocalyptic things that is happening right now is that we are looking at a a sort of we're looking at fragmentation of default reality.
So default reality used to be your neighbors, your friends, what you experience in the world directly. It was a direct experience with the world and then radio, >> TV, now a kind of new sort of liinal reality appears. Now reality isn't just your direct encounter with people. I guess you could argue the newspaper would give you some sense of the world, but much smaller than what we have now.
There wasn't a 24-hour news cycle. And so TV comes along and now you're like, "Holy the world. Look at these. Oh my god, the world is not doing great." >> Iraq war. >> The Iraq war. Vietnam. And then is this where he says >> this is where he says the fentanyl laced urine, right? >> Can we just play that real quick? >> For me, what's the lower volume? Well, I love the idea of getting a drone and having light fentinyl laced urine spraying on analysts who tried to screw us.
>> Uh, it's just like, you know, man, it's like, this is the other thing. >> I love it. >> You You can't expect tech dudes to, you know what I mean? That's like an attempt at some kind of like joke that because he is apparently not aware of the fact that he has managed to freak out the whole planet that when you do that joke people are like, "Oh my god, he's going to start SPRAYING URINE ON US.
HE'S ALSO HE LOOKS LIKE A MAD SCIENTIST." THAT'S THE OTHER THING is like everything like he looks exactly like what you would expect him to look like. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. And and dude, I mean, when you see like uh >> he does yoga and like meditates and >> Oh, I believe it. I believe it. Like, yeah. I don't know why people think that you know they train they train people who fly drones on mindfulness you know they like like that's the problem is like all of these like what if you want to call them religious technologies they could be used for all kinds of things
especially like I mean in Hinduism Buddhism at least tantric Buddhism there's all these stories of these uh I can't remember what they're called there's a name of them essentially humans who have such discipline and such like uhqi or whatever you want to call it though that's a completely different culture.
they basically become like these powerful magicians to the point that the the gods appear to them to try to balance things out. And and so, you know, if you look at like any what's happening with any of these um uh like tech oligarchs, the nothing is new. The wizard inevitably, what does a wizard do? A wizard inevitably summons a demon that they can't put back.
They do the summoning ritual wrong. The demon comes and it everything up. And this I always think of them as warlocks. This is the warlock's guild. And the warlock's guild has >> summoned an entity. This is AI. And the entity is not going back. like that it will be with us forever. You cannot stop the tech.
We You can get like sure you have to go to OpenAI to get Chad GBT, but you can download Go to O Lama. You can download any AI you want in your computer. Run it right off your computer. >> These things are going nowhere. And they're going to propagate. They're going to figure out a way to propagate in the wild.
They're gonna like remember stuckset that incredible that we used to up the uh centrifuges in Well, dude, that that tech already exists to infect people's computers in ways that like >> that was like that Israeli uh right? The zero day hacking stuff. Um what was the thing called again? I forget what it weird stuckset and there was another one too >> that they did it to they did it to Bezos where they they they used it the the >> uh NBS used it to hack into Basos Bezos's like WhatsApp chat.
>> You got it. You got it. And >> Pegasus. That's >> Pegasus. They got It's got sinister names. And so we all we as humans know how to do this. >> And isn't Palunteer speaking of sinister names, isn't Palunteer the location of the throne of Satan? >> No. Palanteer is a um this this I guess this is the location, right? This is the Cathedral of Satan, right? >> But I thought >> Palanteer is from Lord of the Rings.
It's uh >> Yeah, but it's also a place in Greece, I think. >> Are you kidding me? >> I'm pretty sure I'm 90% sure. >> Please look.>> I had a Greek expert tell me this that Palunteer is an ancient city in Greece and that was the location of the throne of Satan. >> Almost per P per P per P per P per P per P per P per P per P per P perom is.
It's a misconception. Throw it up on there. What is Palunteer's? >> No. >> Oh, I was thinking of Gain's uh dad. His his his company was called Pergamon Press. >> God Maxwell's dad, the the uh triple agent, the Mossad uh Russian KGB agent was uh he had a company called Pergamon Press. >> Oh, why not? >> Hey, why not? >> Peram was the location of the throne of Satan.
>> Why not? >> Yeah. Mhm. >> Well, I mean, I think like that's sort of the other quality. Like if you if you get into default reality, consensus reality, you know, you don't believe in magic. Like that's just a basic secularist thing. It's like what do you live in Harry Potter land? Shut the up. There's no magic. There's no God.
There's no Satan. There's just matter. There's nothing else. And this is, by the way, if if like you want to be a successful wizard, you definitely don't want everybody to believe that there's like magic because if everybody believes that, then everybody could start using the things you've been using to get ahead.
You have a a direct advantage over people if they don't believe that there's some greater potency to human beings. And so that's one of the great spells that's been cast on the world is people just don't believe in magic. It's It's something like, >> you know what I mean? Psychos on >> What do you mean magic though? >> Well, I mean, if you look at Crowley's definition of it, uh, it's the Can you pull up Alistister Crowley's definition of uh, magic? It's not very exciting.
Uh, but it's a good starting point. Um, the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will. So that's magic. And so >> okay, >> so what >> spelled it with a K. >> Yeah, they they put the K on it to distinguish it from stage magic. And I don't like the K either. It's just like come on, man.
You don't have to put on that K too much. >> But yeah, the the so so from that perspective, anytime you do anything, write a letter, it's magic. you've made change occur according to your will. But most people, they are stuck in these repetitive loops and they they do know how to do spells, but usually the spells they're casting every day, they're just cursing themselves.
These are the complainers. These are the people who worry all the time. These are the people who just say over and over again how bad everything is and are always lamenting this or lamenting that vocally, audibly, and they don't understand like just constantly fixating on negativity is crystallizing that.
That's all you're it's just like, >> you know, >> this is like basic Tony Robbins Well, Tony Robbins 100% and Tony Robbins for sure has been influenced by a lot of like just basic occult teachings. And of course, you're not going to say that. You're not going to sell a lot of books if you're like, you know what I mean, the Tony Robbins grimoire.
>> He's very televangelisty, >> very charismatic, very Yeah. But what he's teaching is, you know, it goes all the way back to like the New Testament. It's no different than the things Jesus was saying. Like people don't like I had um uh Damen Eckles on my podcast who was one of the kids who got accused of like sacrificing a kid in the woods.
He was on death row. He was um you know, >> to get off. >> It wasn't true. It was just cuz these were the goth kids in town. There's a whole like documentary series on it, >> right? But he was on death row. How did he get exonerated? >> Because a bunch of people like knew it was from watching that documentary and they just like created a fund, got him good representation.
That's >> crazy, dude. >> And he got out of death row. But now he, you know, he he teaches magic. He has written a few great books on magic. And he would say the Bible is a grimoire. The Bible is a a book of magic. It's one of the great books of magic. And within it, you know, you take it literally >> and you can't see what it's saying.
But, you know, but if you look at historic references of Jesus, >> you can find a lot of references to a Jesus that they called the magi or the magician. >> Yes. >> And not Jesus the Messiah. And so the in within the text of the of the Bible is like just the occult teachings of the ages. And those teachings are, >> you know, you can do anything.
You can make anything happen. Like there it's like anytime anyone got healed, you know, anytime like there's the story of this woman Jesus is walking and he says like some I felt energy go through me or this woman had touched the hem of his robe and she was healed. And she's like, "You healed me." And he was like, "No, your faith healed you.
" And so that's the >> quintessential like that's the essence of it all is like you you don't want to believe it probably, but you are creating your reality around you. Not insome secret manifestation way, but if you're looping patterns over and over again, >> you're only going to get the same results.
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There's been, >> you know, church fathers been involved in this thing who were making money off it the whole time. Yeah. >> And it's been 2,000 years, you know, who knows how close it is, who knows how accurate the translations were. >> Well, yeah. you know, and this is like what what the trap you fall into there >> is you're it's again literalism like the so the so like the exploration of like the Bible you for one it's like >> anyone out there getting the like you just you drink tequila all night and you're cringing because you smell
tequila but it wasn't tequila you were raised in a fundamentalist family that made you feel ashamed and sinful and bad it like I get it man religious trauma is real. And I was lucky I didn't have that happen to me. And so like when I was in college, uh I was taking a class in Christianity and I had a great professor and you know when they start breaking it down, it's fascinating.
And so I was like in my dorm room, I had some good acid, took some acid, like started reading the book of John. Um, and it was wild, man. Like something about the LSD like cleared out all the preconceived notions about the thing, you know what I mean? All the like infinite examples of it being used as a something that is like a bludgeon that you use to like get people to like turn off their rational mind.
It was it was all gone. And like whoa. I started reading it like in the book of John. There's the synoptic gospels which they're all kind of the same and then the book of John is just weird and different and psychedelic and you know uh it starts off with in the beginning was the word and the can you pull up like the first verse in the book of John? >> Have you read all the Bible? >> Yeah, I flipped through No. Hell no.
So hard to read. And a lot of people do that. Yeah. Look, uh, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, but that word was logos and right. >> Right. So, it's basically talking about the pre- Big bang conditions. there was this sort of like uh primary truth reality that then like is one of the ways it decided to like interact with time space is it like it turned into this being Jesus like a little tendril protruding into time space to say hello.
And so you know I'm tripping and like but it it wasn't like I I didn't actually I wish I'd never said that what I just said but But but but uh but um what I realized is I started thinking somebody wrote this. >> You know what I mean? That's inarguable. Like this was written down. Yeah. >> And then because of the acid, I started realizing like whoever wrote this, their consciousness was very different from myconsciousness.
like whatever the inspired them to write this was so powerful that it completely like destroyed their identity and then this is just kind of pouring out of them. >> Yeah. And that was the first time I I think I really experienced what they call Christ consciousness because somehow from like connecting with that mind that wrote it.
There was this sense of vast intelligence, this sense of like whoa, this is such deep water here and it's not what I thought it was. >> Well, there's tons of evidence that the everyone was on drugs in antiquity back then in the Bible days. like lots of different drugs for everything. Oh yeah. There was no laws regarding drugs.
If the only law in antiquity involving drugs was that you weren't allowed to murder people with drugs intentionally. >> There's this uh >> that's true. Acacia, the burning bush, DMT. That's one of the theories. >> And people were dying all the time from like plague, famine, combat injuries and stuff like that.
So they were constantly taking like opium. They were uh they were in like fumigating with cannabis. Um tons of like snake venoms and >> Sure. >> There was uh and and the reason we know this is because the most literature that ever came out of antiquity, I think 10% of all ancient Greek literature was medical texts. >> Wow. >> Like Galen. Wow.
>> Galen was was like the surgeon general of the Roman Empire and he was uh >> he wasn't Nero's physician. He was Marcus Aurelius's physician. >> Wow. >> And the dude wrote so much. He was like a philosopher, a a physician and did all kinds of wild stuff. Wrote so much. And um this guy, this uh classical scholar who had on the podcast was explaining to me, he did his dissertation on Galen and he was explaining that he used uh Galen and the writings that he did on drugs as like a a a guide rope to guide himself
through all the stories and fairy tales of the Bible and religion and all that. and he tries to find like the connection between the drugs and the stuff that was going on in the medical texts to to the outside world. >> It's like what psychedelics are they doing back then? >> Not even psychedelics.
It was well the psychedelics there were the some of psychedelics but there was like so many other drugs that people were just using to get rid of pain and to get rid of suffering and like Marcus like so Galen would write about this about Marcus Aurelius all the time and he was complaining about how he kept having to up his opium dose all the time.
He's like this bastard. He's so hooked on opium. I keep having to give him more. And he also talks about this thing called a Theak that he was developing that he was making and giving to um to Marcus Aurelius. And what the the was like a a concoction, a drink of like 12 different North African viper venoms. that.
>> And viper flesh. >> That's a no. >> And opium. >> Give me my opium. I don't want the viper tea. >> Right. And he was drinking it because he was using it as like a an ancient performance-enhancing drug. >> Because the way kings and emperors got killed was with poisons. People would poison them or like hit them with poison arrows.
So if you were drinking that the anti the antidote and getting that your body used to that venom, you would have immunity to it. And uh he was writing in one of his text how like uh Marcus Aurelius is looking better with the the dose. He's looking more uh >> He probably looked like >> He probably did look like >> Probably looked horrible.
Look like Marilyn Manson. >> More opium. But yeah, no, it's just it's just uh you know, he wrote a great book called The Chemical Muse, >> all about like all the drugs that people were developing and giving around and all the poison arrows that were being shot, like all the medicines they were using to get to >> to treat different things and stuff like that.
And the word Christ actually was is a as a drug term. >> Oh, wow. >> Like the first time the word Christ was ever used in Greek was about drugs. >> I I believe it. Homer wrote about it. >> I believe it. >> And and it was like like hundreds of thousands of times the word was used in ANCIENT LITERATURE. >> CHRIST, I'M UP >> BEFORE JESUS CHRIST. YEAH, DUDE.
>> JESUS CHRIST. I'M SO HIGH, MAN. JESUS CHRIST, I'M NOT COMING DOWN THIS TIME. I KNOW IT. >> YEAH. WELL, you know, the the thing is like, >> well, Jesus the Christ, some his one of the theories that's out there is that Jesus the Christ is like Bob the Builder. So if Christing is drugging people, applying drugs to them, like Christing, there's like rubbing, rubbing it on your skin, there's a bagita, putting it in your eyes and having and having visions and stuff like that.
>> So if it was Jesus the Christ, maybe he was like a shaman or something or maybe he was, you know, giving people drugs. Who knows? Magicians. Magicians were synonymous with drugs back then. >> You know, I it wouldn't surprise me at all. I mean, it it makes sense. We we've been through like this insaneprohibition, you know, where we've been taught that there's just sort of this one category, drugs.
All bad. Now, it's obviously it's It's like everyone's still on drugs, man. It's just the drugs that we're on. We don't think that they're drugs somehow because a doctor, talk about magic, you go to a doctor, he writes a little on a little piece of paper some weird arcane that then you take to a pharmacist, an alchemist who then like has on hand, you know, whatever this stuff is that was whipped up in some like some who knows where.
I don't know where they're making this but in some bizarre pharmaceutical factory that then you take to get the demons out. And so people are still on drugs. They just don't think of it the same way. And you know, our phones are drugs. It's a it's a powerful psychedelic that completely warps your subjective reality based on whatever the algorithm is feeding you.
So, and drugs have real real uses. And so one of them being uh sort of poking your head up out of default reality for a second getting the reminder. I mean this is one of my theories why psilocybin ketamine uh treat depression is because what's happening to people is they a tourniquet has been wrapped around their connection with anything outside of the marketplace anything outside of the job the uh the the news cycle the so of course you're going to start getting depressed in the same way like >> you get dopamine from ordering on
Amazon >> bingo Like it's like you you've seen the horrible zoos where like a polar bear is like in the middle of summer just pacing around in circles, right? And they paint >> pictures of snow like that's going to work. And so I think this is sort of happening to a lot of people in modernity is they have this synthetic tech reality mixed in with a 24-hour news cycle.
They start feeling um like nihilists. They think that there's no meaning in anything. And what what what a psychedelic experience will do is just, you know, like wipe the soot from the lantern for a second. >> It's like a hard reset. >> Hard reset. A reminder really. It's like this is who you actually are. There's way more going on.
You're going to be fine. Everything's fine. What you're experiencing is a transient dream. And uh this is the general psychedelic download. you know, some version of that if you have a good trip. And so, yeah, it's, you know, this is I had an anthropologist uh when I was in college. He a professor.
He was an anthropologist and he was like a fullbrite scholar and was studying um I don't know where it was. It was a group of indigenous people taking mushrooms religiously. And what had happened is like these missionaries came out there with Bibles and like they couldn't figure out why these people wouldn't touch the Bible. And uh the they realized that because they translated the the word of God like into their language on the Bibles.
That was the same word these people used for mushrooms. >> What? And before they took mushrooms, they had to go through this dieta of like, you know, no sex, no drinking, like you got to be real square. And so no one wanted to touch the Bibles cuz they thought they would have to go through a diet first. So >> Oh my god, that's crazy.
>> I know. I know. It's so cool. But yeah, I I don't really think there has to be a distinction between, you know, written down uh revelation and psychedelic epiphies. Like it's probably all coming from the same source. >> Yeah, it probably started with psychedelics. Like the first people that wrote about I think the the first people that wrote some of these, you know, insane mythological stories, it seems like they were doing some kind of psychedelics.
Like how else do you come up with this like these dying and rising gods and you know these just stories of being like resurrected from from uh the underworld and and just >> it just seems so trippy and it's you know you know also other anecdotal stuff like the the Ezekiel's wheel and the burning bush and >> um >> well it's encoded.
I mean, it's clearly code >> and the the the the >> and it probably wasn't originally like it's written now either. >> Well, I mean to me irrelevant. It's like it's like I don't because I'm not looking for historicity when I go into like some kind of grimoire, >> you know what I mean? I'm not looking at like the black pullet, you know, wondering did this guy really learn this from some dude in a pyramid, you know, like so the really like the the the way I look at these texts is more present moment sort of like what how what's it saying right now? I don't
care >> what is okay, >> you know what I mean? Like what's the resonance here? Like what is it? And so from that perspective, it's it's clearly encoded in the most brilliant way ever because it works on several levels. Like on one level, it does seem to be a kind of basic morality teaching, right? And that's good like cuz it's, you know, don't steal, don't kill, you know, don't be jealous, like all these things thatare going to harmonize society.
It's very, very good. So on one level, it works just like that. But then when you look deeper, >> but it also creates like horrors. >> It well yeah it it absolut any powerful thing. >> Mhm. >> Creates horrors because people >> love power and you get a powerful thing. A fire. My god. >> Yeah. >> I mean I don't know which has done more damage, the fire of the Bible.
>> Yeah. >> They've been used together. But but the point is is like you have to take all of that stuff, push it to the side >> and recognize whatever the this thing is, clearly it's powerful because it has created civilizations. It has destroyed civilizations. It has destroyed lives, families. It's justified war, brutality, acts of the most extreme horror you could ever imagine.
It's dehumanization, racism, misogyny, all that is so true. But it's like it's also >> inspired the other stuff and and you're not going to hear about that. You're not. And so the but generally the thing is is like forget just forget whatever it is you think about it and and and go into it just in the moment and >> I see what you're saying.
>> You know what I mean? And from that you realize like, wo, it's it's a code. >> Yeah. >> It's way different from what I thought it was. >> And it's definitely teaching like a lot of like occult um it's an occult teaching at at deeper levels. And it's seemingly designed as an initiatory system that allows you to venture further into it according to where you're ready.
And that's the compassion within it, too, is it's like not everybody needs to have some of this stuff blasted in their face, not because it's dangerous so much as because they're not going to hear it. And it's like it's like talking to someone in their sleep. >> Have you ever read any of the stories that were taken out of the Gospels? >> You mean the Gnostic stuff? >> Uh, I don't know if you would consider if it's considered gnostic, but there's like a there's like a bunch of other crazy stories like the >> the Gospel of Judas.
>> Uh, maybe that one. the Gospel of Mary Magdalene. >> There's the there's the the greater questions of Mary is one of them where Jesus makes Mary drink his on the mountain. >> And then there's the other one. >> And really, does that make him a bad person? >> No. >> Has no one ever drank your on a mountain? >> Cuz if that has never happened, man, you you got to get out there more.
>> Yeah, I'm with you. And there's the other one where uh I think he when he was he was a toddler, he killed a kid or something. What was that one? I forgot. >> I love that one. Yeah. >> killed a kid. Also, he made a bird out of mud. >> That was the same one, right? >> Yeah. Same one. It's like Jesus's miracles as a child.
>> Mhm. >> Super cool. >> Yeah. Some of the stories that were left out are like wild, like like crazy. They sound like sci-fi horror novels. >> Yeah. And like, man, I think it's like anybody who's interested in this stuff, it's your job to go deeper. It's your job to like that's the other thing about it is it's like yeah I don't know a bunch of texts got assembled into like this thing we call a Bible but it's like >> the infancy gospel that's what it's called >> the infancy gospel you you have to do your own work you have to read the
infancy gospel you have to find it like you you you should like seek this stuff out and not like expect that like power structures are going to spoon feed this to you >> right exactly Yeah, you do have to do that. reading some of this some of that old stuff really it it it does something to your brain where like like the way they wrote like you ever read stuff like around the Beaolf era like when Beaowolf was written or like Lord Byron >> where he talks about like the serpent's conversation with Adam and Eve
>> and Abel and Cain like reading that stuff like I have to like >> it takes me like three hours to read two paragraphs just because of the way it was >> worded and Uh, again, you said it perfectly. It's not what societyy's trying to cram down your throat. It's not just like the cannon. It's like all the other stuff around it is also really interesting.
And I'm just like so fascinated by what the people were doing 2,000 years ago. I'm like maybe I'm like I'm hyperfocused on cool >> corroborating maybe like some of the stuff that was peripheral to the Bible that was happening at the same time because I you know I I understand like you can get a ton of value out of the stories in there and like like how it ties into where you are in the moment and some different layer of of the cosmos or whatever.
But like also I would love to take a time machine 2,000 years ago and see what the Jesus was actually doing walking around. >> And like most people that want to do that stuff, they take all the other texts. They take like the medical text, the historical text, the philosoph philosophy, the ancient comedy, and they figure out what all these were talking about in this same little timeperiod to like figure out maybe like what were they doing when they were walking around there, you know? Like I would love to know what Jesus was really
doing. >> Oh man. Well, you know the um so they asked Buddha, they were like, "What's the most important what's the most important thing?" Because there's a three jewels in Buddhism that that's the Buddha, the dharma or the teaching and the sa the community. So they asked him what's the most important jewel and you know his response was the song the community the sa and so what he's saying there is you don't really need a time machine in fact based on that like explanation of the sort of guru teaching um the community around
the guru uh what's what's really the most important is the song because in Christianity They will say the church is the body of Christ. And so you don't need to go back in time if you what's what's fascinating about uh Jesus is you're looking at you know basically like right now of course you think you're a you and I think I'm a me.
And when we think of ourselves we generally think of ourselves as just a body. It's me. Even though really what you are is your community, what's around you, like your family, your, you know, surroundings and all of this is makes you a you. You're not >> this some Yian >> This isn't Yungian. This is re, this could be, but it's really just reality.
It's like you every single one of us is interdependent. We ha we are we have to we depend on a billion different things working in perfect harmony to exist at all and not you know obviously in the ecosystem but if you look at any one of these like this coffee cup >> if you think of how many things went into just this one simple coffee cup someone had to cut down a tree there's dye there was a factory there was shipping there was gas there was like planning someone had plan this coffee cup out. Somebody actually had
meetings about this very cup. So, when you think about all the energy that went into just that cup, everything's like that. This cup is a transient passing form. It's going to be in a trash can pretty soon here and it's going to be in a dump and it's going to disintegrate and then be a million other things.
So, that's you and me. We're part of this great beautiful unfolding process that is so amazing in its complexity and simultaneous harmony. It's a miracle by itself. And so whenever you get these like actualized beings, a Jesus, a Buddha, there's so many others too, no one will ever hear about, then they be the group around them also becomes them.
Brian Eno calls it seniors. You get an Andy Warhol. >> Who? >> Uh Briano, he's a musician. >> Oh, okay. >> He calls it senior. So when you the genius of a scene so like Andy Warhol was was Andy Warhol because he was surrounded by all these great artists Lou Reed all these people were around him the factory or whatever it was a whole brain it was a group brain and Andy Warhol became like the mascot basically but he like he it wasn't just him and so when you have like an enlightened being come around inevitably there's a conversion that happens
everyone syncs up with that consciousness and becomes actualized in their own right and then that spreads. So yeah, killing Jesus was like trying to like kill like the the the first germ that called a caused a cold. It had already infected the consciousness of humanity. whatever that was injected itself into like history and then is now forming as churches all over the place.
Those are externalized >> um >> uh organisms, you know, that are, you know, all still harmonizing around whatever that energy was. And that energy, >> it it it's the reality of it is it's over. That past is gone. There's no past. It's gone. There's just now, like right now. So, you know, you can experience that energy now.
Like, cuz it's here in this moment, cuz that's all there is. I mean, it's not woo woo to say that. This is all that's happening. Like, right now, this is it. Whatever that is. Who the knows? It's dusty old scrolls someone jammed into a clay jar. Who gives a >> Who knows? I don't know. But like right now is what's happening.
And the question is >> like do these like sort of like encrypted bits of data allow you to tune into the nowness or not? Does it help you plug in to something fully here? And if it and I think it does. It most certainly does. And you know it's not a dusty old thing. >> It's it's alive right now. you know, the dharma, whatever you want to call it.
>> Yeah. No, it's like uh we're we're all individual little islands poking out of the ocean, but underneath they're all connected. It's all one big archipelago. When the water comes down, you can you can see that the water's up, everyone lives on their own little island. >> Beautiful analogy. Yeah, man. That's it.
And and that's why, you know, there's so much trouble right now is because we we we are I feel like we could be on the precipice of recognizing we are not really separate from each other. And >> yeah,>> that when that happens, you know, that's when we'll that's the great shift. >> That's what the astronauts talk about when they come back from the moon.
When they see the world, they have that overview psychological wires cross or something like that. They come back and they're just like it does something to them when they see the planet separate from them. >> Yeah. Yeah. What do they call that? The o the overview effect. >> Oh, yeah. I think that's what it is. >> Yeah.
They they just it just completely changes their lives because they recognize like, oh we're all the same thing. We're It's just It's one thing. >> Yeah. Edgar Mitchell talked about that, I think, on his way. I don't know if uh did he go to the moon? Did Edgar Mitchell go to the moon? >> Nobody went to the moon. >> You don't think they did? Can you can you do me a favor? I'm sorry to ask.
Can you pull up moon landing footage? Just watch this now. Just watch now. Imagine if like for real no one had gone to the moon and I came on your podcast. I'm like, "Dude, I went to the moon." >> Yeah. >> And you were like, "Shut the up." I'm like, "No, let me prove it. I'm going to show you video of me on the moon." Yeah.
>> Watch. >> So, wait, what's your position on the moon landing? What's your what's your what what do you really believe? If you had a gun to your head right now, >> that's it. You know that like that one when do the one where it just takes off. >> Is it this? >> No, this is my ship. See, I took that to the moon.
That That's my ship. I used a golf cart. >> Wait till it takes off. >> And bye-bye. And that's when I blasted off on my ship. But in the moon also there were I don't know why you couldn't see stars from the moon >> and they left somebody behind to film that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
So, you know, I did we go to the moon? I don't know. >> Well, wait. What's your best guess? Like, if you if you were if you were at in Las Vegas and you're going to win a million dollars, you're right. Uh, you know, it's a tricky question cuz I think we where I get conspiratorial about it is I think we really might have gone to the moon, but the footage that we got from whatever the is actually on the moon >> would have disrupted society so much that we had to reshoot.
And so they got Stanley Kubric cuz they're like, "Dude, people can't see THE THE THE ARTIFACTS. We can't. It's just we we can't do that right now. It's the Cold War. The last thing people need to worry about is like apparently >> the C war there was so much and deception and lying. NK Ultra going on. Charles Manson going on.
>> You got it. >> Have you seen the photo Jolly West with with Stanley Cubrick? >> Dude, I just interviewed the author of Chaos and um >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Yes. He's the best. Have you had him on? >> Yeah. Funny enough, this goes back to our Marilyn Manson story cuz he started off the podcast with him telling me a story about how he stayed up all night with Marilyn Manson drinking tequila and do >> I believe it. He is so cool.
He's exactly the person you want him to be when you read that book. He is such a cool dude. >> Yeah, he's awesome. >> Yeah. Yeah. Jolly West. He like schooled me on Jolly West. I had no idea. >> There's a photo of Jolly West on the set of 2001 of Space Odyssey. Jolly West was like like the CIA Forest Gump.
Like he you know what I mean? LIKE HE WAS AROUND EVERYBODY. IT'S so weird. It's so weird. But yeah, if you look at the setting the moon landings happened in and like I don't know. I want it to have happened. >> Yeah. >> I I And >> the I I guess like where where I run into problems with it um is like I don't >> you're avoiding the Vegas question.
A million dollars. Yes or no? >> I It's just It's really hard, man. >> No, it's a million dollars. >> I'm going to say no. >> I have kids. >> I'll say no. >> I'm going to think about it for a second, man. I GOT TO THINK. I GOT TO PRAY ON IT. A MILLION DOLLARS. I GOT I GOT THREE KIDS AND ONE ON THE WAY. WE NEED THAT MONEY.
>> You have one on the way. Oh my god, you're nuts. So, >> cuz I guess I'm going to say, okay, to to like make it more specific. >> Yeah. >> Is that footage we we've we just watched >> Mhm. >> from the moon? I'm going to say no. I'm saying no. >> Right. >> You know, did we go to the moon? Wouldn't surprise me, but probably like you're never going to hear about that.
>> Yeah. The footage looks super fake. >> Yeah. And NASA their postip what happened to all the original footage and telemetry data from the moon landings. They said they accidentally wrote over the tapes. happens. >> Money was tight. They couldn't buy more tapes. >> Dude, I'm so sorry. I wanted to record Dallas and I recorded it over the moonlanding tapes. I'm sorry.
Oh That was probably important stuff, huh? Oh well. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, look, it I the the reality of it is is like I I I find it quite difficult to like >> take anything the state is putting out there that seriously. >> Yeah.>> It's all it's always at the best a tiny piece of the truth and leaving out all this other because of national security.
And so, who knows like that that and I think we're all getting to that point which is a little worrisome actually because >> this whole thing depended on people having real belief in their leadership and the government. And so now that like you know the Epstein stuff is like you know pointing in the direction of something that is is in one way very unifying like it appears that could unify us.
>> The thing that people mostly agree on thank God is that you shouldn't >> be a child. >> Yeah. And so this uh possibility that super rich powerful people are in an organized way abusing kids and then being protected because of how it would destabilize society. That could be the nail in the coffin of any state propaganda ever working ever again.
Cuz those documents are going to come out and they're going to be so redacted. >> Well, the documents. the documents, bro. You know, there's hard drives somewhere and they're probably sitting in Tel Aviv. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Did you see Trump allegedly sucked Bill Clint? >> Dude, I did. >> How could you miss it? >> I did.
And and and it's like the the the thing is like honestly man like if that was the only thing in there, Trump sucked Clinton's >> better than World War II. >> It's like dude, you know what? We've all had our party days. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE I like I don't know what was going on there, but the the other it's it's like you know there's a great podcast called Martyr Made.
Do you ever listen to that? >> I I've never listened to it, but I've heard a lot about him. >> It's great. Daryl's awesome. and he does a whole Epstein series. >> He's the guy who says Hitler was the good guy, right? >> He doesn't say that. >> You know what I mean? >> That's what everybody tells me. >> Oh, me too.
Cuz I had him on my podcast THERE. YOU HAD A NAZI SYMPATHIZER ON. And you know, Daryl is a historian and um >> I haven't I haven't listened to all of his stuff, but like he's a he's like an anti-war Christian. And I went on his Substack. He respond like all these like Nazis started thinking like because of his like take on World War II that he was a Nazi sympathizer and he like had to tell them like off.
>> Yeah. >> But basically he got into the way he puts it is this World War II and sorry Darl if somehow you see this and I just butcher what you're genius but >> the So World War II there's like the the story of World War II is good guy bad guy, >> right? Nazis obviously horrible, >> Axis horrible, Allies great.
And so he not only sort of breaks down, you know, what what we should wonder what made Nazism take off, right? You don't want that to happen again. What happened there? How did that work? How did some like, you know, midlevel artist end up becoming like one of the most powerful people on planet Earth? How did it how did he go from being just like some kind of like dude that people said was kind of awkward to becoming what you could argue if you're looking for an antichrist there's one for you.
So >> that along with a real simple question which is like okay so yes obviously like genocide is indescribably horrific. though is the answer to that. Firebombing Dresden is the answer to that burning down old growth forests in Germany. Is the answer to that dropping nuclear bombs on cities that killed so many people? Are we now making a distinction >> between this masskilling good, this mass killing bad? Aren't they all bad? >> And so because he's exploring that angle, which is I >> What are does he does he like go into
like some literature that most people don't have access to or like where does he learn all this Dude, I sure wish I listened to podcasts in like a serious way because when I was listening like that's a really good question. Uh I and he does site and I don't think it's like obscure >> literature.
I think like when you read about cities being firebombed when you read about what that was like. Yeah. you know, to to walk through a city that had just been incinerated and just see corpses of children charred on the streets and stuff that you don't have to reach out to obscure. I mean, God, you could find documentaries on Hiroshima.
You can, you know what I mean? You could firsthand accounts of like kids just getting like evaporated. And you know, he's really pointing his finger towards like an anti-war >> place, which is like it's all >> why are we trying to like paint a picture that any of this was good. War is failure. War is like >> the crazy thing though about about people like him.
I've never listened to his stuff. I'm sure it's great. He seems like super smart uh interesting dude. But like I learned this from talking to JFK experts. I had a dude who wrote one of the like the most popular JFK books of all time. He was worked on the set of Oliver Stone's JFK film, the first one. And I was talking to him.
I'm like >> and I'm like,>> who is the number one person who knows more about the JFK stuff than anyone like who's read all the documents? He goes, "You know what? Funny enough, >> 99% of the JFK authors who wrote books on JFK have haven't read any of the documents." He goes, "All the JFK authors, they write their books based on previous books written about JFK.
" He's like, "There's only one guy who's actually read every single document." And uh I thought like that's really interesting because if all people who are writing stuff about history are only basing it off other history books that those people wrote about other history books, like how do you know like how connected they are to the reality, right? >> What's the source? That's it becomes like turtles all the way down.
It's like or it's like with the thing they were saying with AI. The big problem is >> AI is now training itself on AI. >> You know what I mean? What what now? like it doesn't have anything else. It's run out of out of data. >> Yeah. I you know, I don't think it would be that hard. He does like I just don't remember.
He does make a point of like like in the Epstein series, >> he intentionally used left-leaning media sources so that like he couldn't it couldn't be discounted as some kind of like right-wing conspiracy So, he's like citing the New York Times and stuff. And so, you know, I think he does a really good job >> at that.
And but the Epstein series, it's not highly recommended, but it will it's like I don't know if you've ever watched like David Lynch movies, but it puts you in a weird mind state. It like makes you feel strange >> listening to it. You don't want to believe that there are actually organized predatory groups that have been doing this in other countries.
And that's what he's like instead of like directly going at the Epstein stuff, he's like, "Let's look >> at other times the state has protected >> human traffickers." And it's happened a lot, man. Well, look, I mean, I've talked to like former CIA folks who have said that when they're trying to recruit agents in other countries or sources in other third world countries, Middle Eastern countries or whatever, a lot of those people will only give you information in exchange for prostitutes, sometimes underage or of like the same
sex. And it's like if when you go through that process to be evaluated to be in the CIA, they know what the they're looking for. They're not finding people who are going to have the morals to say, "No, I'm not going to get you a kid for this information that's going to give us national security intelligence that are going to help protect the country, >> right? >> You want people in the CIA who are going to value that intelligence over traditional moral values.
" >> There you go. >> There you go. And now imagine that you're a country with only a few million people who lives in the middle of this world surrounded by existential threats and you want to ensure the survival of your ethnicity, of your people, of your state that's very threatened. Are you going to consider sacrificing a few kids to get that done to ensure the survival of your race? Yeah, that's what Daryl talks about is that thing. That's the thing.
>> I don't think it's that unlikely. Well, that's the thing he's like interested in that which is like he's talking about like when we >> what was it the I can't remember is it incident in Vietnam >> where we I don't know it's a famous like some group of soldiers just up this village and uh and somehow like people found out about I'm sure it happened other times and no one found out but he's like you can you can read letters these soldiers wrote to their families days before they were incinerating Vietnamese people and the letters are
very sweet to their kids. Daddy loves you. And he's like, what is it in humans that transforms us from, >> you know, compassionate beings that generally want to help to like turning into a mob of violent psychopaths? What is that? And it's an important question because we don't want it to happen.
He's just talking about like this is the psychology of the riot. This is the psychology of like every mass atrocity is generally an us or them emerges. >> Mhm. >> They're bad. They become the scapegoat. If we get rid of the fill in the blank, whatever it is, filled in with any religion or ethnicity or whatever, they're the reason things are bad.
And so he said the real sad thing is quite often when eliminating whatever the perceived evil was things do get better for a second but they don't get better because you got rid of this group or that group they get better because you actually worked together with your community in that pursuit. So it created this cohesive bond and that is you don't need to say this is the cause of all evil in the world to have that cohesive bond.
It's kind of like what Reagan said, we need an alien invasion to bring people together. That's what brings people together. It's so tragic. >> War,>> you have friends for life from war. You know what I mean? were so starved of like of what it feels like to work with a group of people uh in a way that isn't like your job that war is like people love it.
It It's what we're geared to do to work together to make things better in the world. >> Yeah. What could give you more meaning than going to war for something? >> You got it. And and so that it's it's this is like a recurring pattern over and over and over and over and over and over again. There's an a them >> they're a direct threat to us.
And that's justifies all the atrocities that have ever been done is because you just decide some group of people evil. You forget no one's that different, man. It's really we all want the same thing. >> We all want to be happy. >> We all want food in our bellies, roof over our head. That's across the board. No matter what language you speak, we forget that.
>> And then boom, next thing you know, you're dropping the fat boy ON AND IT ALL MAKES SENSE IN YOUR HEAD. This makes sense. THOSE PEOPLE DOWN THERE, THEY'RE NOT LIKE MY FAMILY. THOSE KIDS AREN'T LIKE MY KIDS. >> AND AND and you don't even feel bad. You just you you feel like an exterminator, you know? It's very sad.
>> Very sad. >> Yeah. There was um this dude John Keryaku who's uh the CIA whistleblower. He just he had a source that he just came out with I think on a Substack who is like really close in the White House who uh told him that before Trump did the bombing on Iran, he like hit him with those hit the nuclear facilities in Iran with those bombs.
>> You know how he like campaigned on like ending all wars and not around and doing anything? Yeah. >> And then he went and bombed Iran during that that negotiation. >> So what John Keryaku said who allegedly he said he has a source that's like really and he's like a former lifelong CIA guy who went to prison for blowing the whistle on the CIA's torture program.
He has a a source that told him that Israel or Netanyahu told Trump that if he doesn't intervene with US military in Iran, they were going to drop a nuke on Iran. So he's like, "In hindsight, if that's real, then Trump did the right thing." >> The Samson option. >> The Samson option. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. >> Well, imagine that though.
Like, imagine Israel Netanyahu told Trump, "If you don't bomb them, I'm going to drop a nuke." Well, they don't haven't even admitted to having nukes. They're not even Everybody knows. >> Everybody know. I mean, according to whistleblowers who have been blowing the whistle on it forever. >> Yeah. >> And they're not But they're not in the treaty.
But it's like it's like they're the ones that aren't allowed. They're they're allowed to have nukes, but like everyone knows, but they're breaking the law by not like making it official. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's wild, man. It's wild. >> And how, you know, it's just it's also just so wild how it seems like he can't tell him no.
And I think it all ties into the Epstein files. It has to. It has to tie into the Epstein files somehow. Well, I mean this this is sort of it's everything that's happening. It's not new. None of this is new. Like, you know, this level of war, it's always been there. Like, this is just part of like diplomacy.
Diplomacy isn't just like let's negotiate and compromise. Diplomacy is >> vicious blackmail. >> Anything you can do to get the job done. Mhm. >> And so I for me that's comforting because if you start imagining what you're seeing is like some something new at all. It it's not like how long have people been using sex and blackmail to like puppeteer leaders.
I mean it's >> such an effective way to do it too. And it's it's so ye like for like yeah are are world leaders more than likely compromised? Well yes compromised in all kinds of ways not just compromised from like you know the Epstein though certainly many are but compromised just from basic greed. I mean lobbyists, super PACs.
It's like certainly you can't really call it a representative democracy if the way people get into positions of power requires so much money >> and that money is not coming from individuals. That money is generally coming from mega corporations and other state other countries and and done in like fascinating ways.
So it's like at that so you know the apocalypse literally means lifting of the veil. And so what people are beginning to the new thing I guess is like on a global level people are beginning to wake up to the reality that what our voices aren't really being heard or the voice of of of like you know actual citizens is being muted by the like voice of like powerful corporations and and that's really had cuz like the founding fathers the whole point of this democracy and electing a president was to let the steam out, you know, otherwise
revolutions happen. You got to let the steam out, depressurize it. You have a a nonviolent revolution every four years. You get a new leader. >> And so if people start realizing thatthat has it doesn't work like that anymore, this pressure builds. And that's what we're all feeling, man. It's like this pressure is building cuz it's like how like >> it's becoming increasingly difficult to buy the show.
The show is not believable anymore. It used to be more believable. You really bought into it, man. Now people are like, I'm not sure >> any of this is real. These people are not like morally upstanding people in the way you would they that was always a thing. Presidents had this kind of noble >> quality to them. They were they were like powerfully gentle.
>> They were for everyone and they had presidential speak. >> You know that strange way that a leader talks and you bought IT, MAN. YOU BOUGHT IT. They were But now people just aren't really like buying it anymore. >> No. >> And that's not good. >> They got to get a better mascot in there. The Illuminati, dude.
They're trying to save money on their matraee. Like, you need to get some like you got to get another like JFK in there. You got to get somebody who at least isn't scenile. You know what I mean? That was the beginning of the end. It's like you have a scenile dementia president. >> It's like, dude, I'm not sure we need a president if that guy's the president.
And so, this is a real issue. You know, we don't buy it anymore. >> Yeah. It's a it's it's harder and harder for them to keep secrets from us with with technology and with the social media stuff and and everyone being an investigator on on everything. >> 100%. >> You know, like uh like look at what Tucker's doing.
He's like >> he's pulling trying to like pull the veil and expose the most crazy in society. like interviewing Putin uh the the tech guy who allegedly killed somebody. Accusing the tech guy of the AI guy of murdering people and like dude that's insane. He's like challenging other government leaders and like accusing like foreign governments of murdering people.
Like the dudes like that are >> it's insane that he's allow he's journalist. >> That's right. But but >> but that again though but that also ties into like what we were talking about earlier >> with like with podcasts and on YouTube like you can't survive unless you are pushing the boundary so goddamn far you're going to be afraid of of surviving another week.
>> Yeah. >> You know everything has got to be the end of the world. >> Yeah. >> Everything's got to be just doomsday for it to get clicks on anything. >> Isn't that sad? It's so sad. It's like because it's like Yeah. I guess like people are just getting high on fear and that's like the the the drug of choice booze and fear and the and and so then because you create a market pressure for fear.
You want to create more creative versions of fear, more cinematic cinematic versions of fear. You're in the fear marketplace. You're a fear monger. And it's tough on them streets, man. You got to like come up with a really brand new good angle to freak people out about cuz that's what the algorithm likes. You don't even want to make it.
You just know if I do some controversial use a weird thumbnail with some kind of clickbait it's going to get way more action that translates into money. And so >> you're not going to become anybody if you have a middle-of the road moderate take on something, >> dude. And what more satanic technology than that? An actual technology that harvests fear and like allows people to commodify paranoia and fear. Wow.
That if there was a Satan boy, he's happy about the algorithm, isn't he? He's like, "This is amazing." Yeah. So, look, you know, while all of that chaos is going on, all this stuff, there's just this moment. And generally in this moment, everything's fine. Everything's great. like somebody like you know like let's say for a second like just like if I just stop for a moment if we both just stop talking like you feel that like there's like this vibrant beautiful energy in the present moment it's amazing in Buddhism they call it
emptiness people get confused by that term but like when you breathe out right before you breathe in >> there's this in Buddhism it's called the gap. There's this little space right there and it's beautiful and it's it's um one of the ways Chukim Trumpet described it is uh fresh baked bread. It has a wholesome quality to it.
It's like it it's it's a very sweet thing that is always happening. and all this that we're all addicted to, it distracts from that moment. That is an uncommodifiable place. By the way, it is you can't sell the present moment or they would have done it by now. >> It's free. And in that place that everyone's trying to get away from by buying you don't really need anything, man. Like, you're fine.
You're safe. You're okay. And and in the in the Bible, the first thing angels say when they appear to people is, "Be not afraid. Don't be afraid." It's the first thing always like, "It's okay." >> That's the message loud and clear. IT'S BEEN COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE sincepeople could talk. That's the great transcendent message.
It's not really special. It's like it's okay. >> It's okay. You're safe. >> You're fine. Ramdas used to say dying is completely safe. >> Dying is completely safe. >> Dying is safe. >> It is. Everyone's afraid of it. It's like the most natural process and >> and we're and you know like I just had this wonderful teacher Robde Dev on my podcast and >> you know we're you're you're being you're dying and being reborn >> over and over and over again and every every time you breathe out and breathe back in.
And so this is this place it's not going anywhere. It's never gotten anywhere. But always, there's millions of things that you can focus your attention on that will take you fully out of it and put you in a kind of numb nullified state. Cuz even saying it's fear, it's like, boy, it's fun to be afraid. >> When was the last time you were really afraid, >> right? >> It's exciting.
>> Getting nice and scared. Maybe you watched a horror movie. Maybe you're like, I don't know, walking down the street and you're like, is that dude following me? >> I ate too much weed. It feels good. It's a It's a It's kind of like a a jolt. >> This is really, if you look at the way you feel when you're >> getting high on your phone.
>> Yeah. >> It's a numb >> kind of like I don't know, a nestized feeling. It's sort of like >> you breathe different. >> You start to have like shallow breathing. >> Yeah. >> And you >> get calm on your hand. get come on. >> WHAT IS THAT ABOUT THE INTERNET THAT GETS ON MY HAND? >> Oh my god. Yeah, that's weird, man.
It's uh it definitely is a drug and it's probably being used as some sort of mind control now. I bet you the phones are the new MK Ultra because everyone on the phones are living in their own reality and they have all their own al their algorithms are feeding them specific memes. Whether you're getting memes about Trump blowing Clinton or memes about whatever it is, it's like uh you don't really it's like you're in your own lane and you don't you don't get to peek through to the other stuff.
And um and you could turn it off anytime you want. A vampire only goes where it's invited. Every time you decide to stare into the hypno rectangle, >> what is the difference between that and summoning some kind of like distraction demon into your life? It's like, oh, you know, there's not enough fire and chaos and bombs and children getting blown up around me, so let me look through this window into hell.
>> Oh my god, that's hilarious, dude. Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm I'm addicted as anybody else, man. I'm not high road in here. I'm just like I've been addicted to enough things to know what I when I'm addicted. Yeah. >> You know, and like like I reckon >> Yeah. But at what point do you what at what point do you have to like decide to let go? >> Like at what point do they start tethering every other aspect of life into the phone and into the technology to where you need this stuff to just uh pay your bills? You know, if you want to
if you want to have health insurance, you got to wear the palunteer ring. >> Digital ID. >> Digital ID. >> Yeah. Thumb. Well, I mean, you know, you could >> the real ID. >> That's where we're headed, friend. >> Yeah. >> There's no I don't really think that there is, not to be a complete defeist here, but I don't really think that it's, and I recognize the irony that I'm wearing a Palunteer hat um when I say this.
I don't think >> you got to pay the bills somehow, bro. >> Don't. Please don't start the I'm wearing THIS TO TROLL BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUR CHILDREN. People accuse me of GETTING PAID BY PALUNTEER. SO NOW I WEAR IT ON ANY PODCAST because it's so funny to think that Palunteer needs mid-level podcasters to work for them. But I I don't think >> you would be their FIRST PICK, THOUGH.
>> WHY? I THAT WOULD BE MY LAST PICK IF I WAS RUNNING SOME KIND OF SURVEILLANCE, MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE. I'M NOT LETTING MY YAPPY ASS ANYWHERE near any of the secrets. >> But, you know, I I don't think I I think that what you're describing, there's a great book uh something like 12 reasons to delete your social media now by Jiren Laneir, early Silicon Valley dude.
Uh and basically the way he describes it is um where we're headed is towards uh you know like BF Skinner the Skinner box he used to okay he's like these are Skinner boxes and the algorithm >> combined with AI I think the algorithm is AI but as AI advances this thing is going to be increasingly distracting and eventually there will be no like what you're describing no way out >> to unplug to unplug This is his nightmare scenario.
Rocco's basilisk base basically the AI becomes like the like some kind of like psychic prison for everybody. And I disagree with the that I I I do think that it will become inevitably deeper like embedded deeper. Yeah. It's Yeah. I mean clearly what we're looking at here is like if you watch if you if you fast forward time starts as a giantlike twotory building that was old computers shrinks down onto your desktop becomes a desktop computer then it shrinks down again now we now it's in our pockets and then it's on your head VR AR those
those Ray-B band augmented reality glasses that's going to be the next iteration and then of Of course, we're going black mirror, the little thing you stick on your temple or some kind of injectable, right? And and so what you're seeing is really the thing that has been happening on this planet since the get-go, which is this planet's a centrifuge and things get mixed together.
This is why in our guts, in our like there's there's, you know, gut bacteria. That's not our That's bacteria. We depend on colonies of bacteria living with us in this perfect symbiosis. And what you're seeing here is no different than that. I'm not calling it a species. It's a it's technology, but just for the sake of shits and giggles, let's just say it's an invasive species.
It's it's it's roots are worked into everything already. And it might as well be embedded in our brains. We carry it around with us. We look at it every five, six minutes. We go to it for everything already. Of course, it's going to get into our brains >> cuz there's already plastic in our brains.
And so it will we merging with it. We will merge with it for better or for worse. >> But how long does it take before it >> gets ahead of us on the evolutionary scale or on the on the on the predatory? At what point does it become the smarter thing? Because there's like what is there? There's 20 million catalog species of animals on this earth and there's 20 of them are hominids and out of the one one of the 20 hominids is the ones that were able to figure out how to get off planet Earth and develop AI.
So we're us human beings are like 0.001% of the species of Earth, >> right? >> And we're leaps and bounds ahead of number two. >> Yeah. >> And so at what point does this eclipse us? Do you think it does? >> Well, I mean, I think the the problem is you have to ask like this is the argument for simulation theory.
It's like if you're if you like buy into like how long humans have been here, even go Graham Hancock level, like the amount of time we've been here relative to the age of the earth is not very long. And if you look at the I don't know agrarian revolution, you know, to the industrial revolution, you know, you see that I'm sure people on this podcast talk about this.
I'm fascinated by it. Yeah. >> The amount of time between each of these massive social changes is like decreasing. Like the amount of time between >> uh people learning to plant food and factories is long. The amount of time between factories and technology not quite as long. The amount of time or I'm sorry, civil war, musketss and the atomic bomb. Bingo.
>> Like 50 years. >> 50 years. And then the amount of time between the internet and AI. What is that? Like how long is that like what was that? 20 years, 30 years. So, and then each of these um >> subsequent technologies accelerate the amount of time it takes to get to the next sort of milestone, right? And so >> based on that, you know, you have to ask yourself, are the question being when is it going to eclipse us? It's like, oh, it already did, >> right? >> It ecliped.
>> You think we already hit the singularity? >> Well, I mean, I think it's quite possible. This is the argument for simulation theory is it's like like there is some probability that's not that low that it already happened and that somewhere along the way humans got digitized. We upload our consciousness into some kind of experiential uh thing that we call a lifetime.
We get to experience like you know some kind of training in each lifetime that we sort of decide to like enter into. simulated reality. They realize going in there knowing you're in a simul, you know, just like the subjectivity of time itself. Theoretically, you know, there could be some kind of medicine that you could give someone that makes every second feel like a hundred years.
So, in like a minute, you could have 60 lifetimes within which you learn like all of these incredible skills. At the end of 5 minutes, you've become like adept at everything. At the end of an hour, you literally know everything. So, just a simple hour of this kind of simulation would be an amazing way to train people.
And so, you know, it could be that that's what's happening to us. >> Have you seen the um the documentary that this dude Danny Doer is making? He has a theory. He he uh has a theory when you take DMT and you take a defracted laser and you shine it on a wall, you can see the code of the matrix. I love it because it's so funny. It's like I Yeah.
Somebody told me that on lasers >> there's something in lasers that identifies >> there's like identifies the lasers and so it's like people getting super high looking at some kind of thing in the laser that just is like you know when you flash it at a apparently youhave to have that in there. I could be wrong.
One of my friends told me that they're like, "Dude, they're just getting high on DMT and just seeing like basically like a barcode in in the laser." And also, I think it's funny. >> Well, it looks like I did it. I did it and I tried. >> So, is it real? >> Let me tell you what I saw. I did the deal. >> Oh my god. >> I've been wanting to do it.
I NEVER MET OH, I'm so I'm so >> I did it twice. The >> I do it every morning when I WAKE UP. I GOT TO SEE THE MATRIX. >> NO. SO, UH, the first time I did it, I looked into the laser and all I saw was like millions and millions of spinning gears all connected to each other. But the weird thing was if you move the lasers, the gears don't move.
It's almost like you're you're showing like behind the wall or something that it's already there and the laser is like a flashlight just illuminating it. But it wasn't there was no like matrix code or anything like that. So, I saw gears. >> I'm like maybe Yeah, it was gears. I'm like, maybe I didn't do enough or whatever.
So, I tried it again a couple months later and I did way more and uh I saw dicks. I saw millions of dicks that were encoded in like in like Lord of the Rings text and they were everywhere. >> That's what they wanted us to know. >> He was telling me he was like he was like recording me doing this and I'm like, "Do you really want to know what I see?" And he's like, "Yes, do you see the code?" And I'm like, "I see code, but it's it's there.
It's it's inscripted in millions of penises. >> I see dick >> in the laser." >> You you Well, you know what, man? It would really explain a lot. Like, why? Like, we find out the reason disclosure hasn't happened is because aliens look like dicks and they're just is dicks. Like the everything outside of the earth realm is just >> dicks tattooed with hieroglyphic dick people.
That's what our and that that's the re they made us and they were like you know what like you know the way people sign their art they're like put a dick on that thing so people know it came from us. >> That's cool man. Well I mean look you I I've no doubt that some level of the astral realm is dicks. wouldn't surprise me at all.
Why not? You know, but that is so funny. >> But it's I think the the psychedelics are like largely placebo, right? I had somebody smart tell me this on the podcast. Hamilton Morris, >> you know who he is? He had the show in Vice. Um he was he was explaining how like psychedelics are very much placebo. How they they basically reinforce that's already in there or they bring out stuff that's already in your mind like deep in your mind.
>> Well, yeah. So maybe I have dicks on my mind. >> You might have dicks on your mind. It's okay, man. Look, >> dicks are important. >> Yes. >> You know, I don't want to get political, >> but we need dicks. >> It's just the way it is. There's no way around it. We haven't figured it out. >> The world depends on dicks.
>> Yes. Yes, it does. >> At least human existence does. And >> yeah, I you know, I think the >> But it is the the DMT thing is just very it's very strange. I think I think it could be if we are living in a simulation, I would imagine radically altering your consciousness in some way might be able to like if this is a video game, there's got to be a way to like see the edge of the map, you know? >> Yeah, there is.
It's it's acid and nitrous oxide. >> Oh, yes. >> YOU'LL SEE THE GRID, BABY. YOU'LL SEE THE GRID. >> YEAH, for sure. I mean, absolutely. And you know the simulator calling this a simulation is just a new technological way of describing what the Hindus call maya >> which means illusion. And that's like so it's again it's just a way like modern people can understand the same idea which is this thing that you're experiencing >> is not quite as real as you've been led to believe and it's certainly not everything. And um and that's the
spiritual journey though I hate terms like that that is it is is like you know the exploration of truth like and and and trying to understand what's really going on here and not getting lost in the weeds along the way. and and their and their best reason to do that is because most people are suffering so much unnecessarily, you know, and that that is an avoidable situation.
As insane as that might sound uh to people who are suffering, you don't have to. You'll feel pain and stuff like that, >> but suffering, this malaise that uh sneaks its way into a person's life, these teachings, they're just encode various ways of encoding a very a set of changes you can make in your own life >> that are going to reduce the amount of suffering that you've been experiencing.
And then once you could do that for yourself, then you could do that for other people, too. You could, you're the walking proof, you know? That's the most important thing, >> you know? Is there a wall of dicks behind the grid of reality? Sure. Are we on a mother ship? Sure. Are we ona simulator? Sure.
Are we in the hollow earth, like experiencing what it's like to be on the exterior of? Why not? But no matter what that grand reality is, the real question is, are you all right? Are you waking up every day >> happy to be awake? Are you like really connecting with your life? Are you really got to ask yourself that, man? >> And that's the most important thing.
We'll get to the DMT dicks. >> But first, why don't we like figure out a way to like make ourselves happy? >> Yeah. >> Within whatever this may be. That's my take, man. That's the most important thing. The other stuff is cool, though. It's fun to think about and it's fun to like spend your time trying to decode the great conspiracies that are happening right now.
I'm not saying stick your head in the sand. I'm just saying make sure that you along the way are also >> looking into a much more important conspiracy which is why aren't you happy, >> right? What's your secret? How do you do it? How do you have the time to have to to like do your comedy, have three kids, uh do all these podcast? >> Vodka.
>> Vodka. >> Thought you say ketamine. >> I I I first of all to say I'm happy all the time. That's not the case at all. But there are like very simple things that you can apply to your own life that will reduce your uh your anxiety. And it's very simple. It's so obvious and simple which is like if you worry if you're a worrier uh which I used to be just recognize it's a habit you're when so if you s just mindfulness is the start so come up with >> like look up anything on mindfulness just a way of sort of being in the
moment observing your own reality that's a good starting place meditation is one great way to do that right and so then you start becoming in Tibetan Buddhism meditation is called gum, >> which means becoming familiar with oneself. And so you're becoming familiar with your mind, the nature of your thinking mind.
And you begin to realize, oh my god, like the your mind spits out is so ridiculous. Like in any in a minute, you can go from like the most intense paranoid fantasy to wanting a cheeseburger in a minute. And so you realize your mind is just always producing these things that you have been calling thoughts and that you you've been sort of drawn to a set of these thoughts which like the Buddhist teacher Jack Kornfield it's like this is like >> you know the top 10 songs you're most people's brains produce top 10 worries top 10 fears you're always fixating on
this or that the problem in your life the thing maybe it's worries about the federal government maybe it's worries about your health, your family, whatever it may be. And so what's happening there is that you're fixating on a fantasy. You're imagining the worst case scenario usually.
And you're or you that thing, you know, I don't know if you ever gotten in a like a a fight with someone in your own mind. You're literally in an argument with someone in your own mind >> that you think you're going to have. Yep. >> Now, what's happening there is habit. And what's happening is you don't realize you have a lot more control over what you spend time thinking about.
So what's amazing is you already have the discipline to do a kind of basic magic for with a K, which is you are disciplined to worry. You've disciplined yourself. You actually don't realize that you are a master at at yoga. Only the yoga you're doing is the yoga of worry. You're good at it, man. Most of us are so good at it.
You can just you can just with effortlessly fill your mind with the the most eerie, terrifying version of the future with no energy at all. Just it's it's very detailed, vivid. You can also do it with your past. You can remember the very worst thing from your past and forget all the other good times you've had.
So the simple move is to replace those worries with it doesn't have to be special can be anything but start teaching yourself to habituate towards thinking about good things that you've done, wonderful things that you've done. And this practice will it will change your life so quickly and you begin to realize because a lot of people think they don't realize how connected their feelings are to their thoughts.
>> They think you know you don't realize like yeah of course you feel awful because you keep thinking about the worst thing that happened to you, the heartbreak, the tragedy or what you think is going to come. Yeah. >> AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING. IT'S JUST this moment right now. Just watch what happens if you just replace it with >> interesting >> anything. Check out Psychocybernetics.
Great book. You would love it. It's really >> psychocybernetics. >> It's such a dumb name, but it's a >> that's a sick name. I thought >> I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I DO LIKE THE BOOK. IT'S REALLY really good. It sort of details this and you know it's it's a I generally like self-help doesn't do for me but that's it's a very effective um it's a very effective practice.
>> Duncan Trussell, thank you so much foryour time, man. >> Thank you for letting ME RAMBLE. YOU'RE A GREAT INTERVIEWER, MAN. I'm so glad that we got to do this. I'm >> I don't have to do anything. You just go. You're like a machine. >> Well, cuz you let me. >> Oh, well, >> thank you. That's a >> You're welcome.
>> I really appreciate it. Thank you. >> Duncan Trussell Family Hour on YouTube and Spotify and all that stuff. And then what else can people do to uh >> Well, you can watch the Midnight Gospel on Netflix. And >> um yeah, man, I got a baby coming. So the show's here that I'm doing, which is why we're here together.
Uh that's my last but you can find my dates at duncanrussell.com. Like in a few months I go back on the road. yes, dude. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Hail Satan, everybody. >> Har Krishna.
