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Welcome to extraterrestrial reality, at least for now. Because at some point in the future, it uh could turn out that we discover that the true origin of the strange craft and weird alien beings an untold number of people have encountered throughout the decades is not what many of us believe it is.
Many people who have studied the phenomenon, and many who have experienced it firsthand, who right now attribute all of it to travelers from distant worlds, might someday learn that aliens have nothing to do with any of it. So, uh, this is what we're going to be talking about today. Basically, we're going to be talking about the ultraterrestrial hypothesis and is this what explains all the weird stranges that's going on on this planet when it comes to these encounters with non-human intelligent beings and even more even beyond that
other things other strange things too that people encounter. It might be the answer. There's a lot of different people who studied this phenomena who came to this conclusion of not at first. Some of them, you know, you know, they believed that it had something to do with aliens from outer space, other planets, creatures visiting here.
Uh, but over time, they changed their minds. People like John Keel and also Jacqu Valet. And you know, earlier this year, I had an interview with uh Christopher Null, who wrote this book right here called Homegrown Monsters. And he was on the show for an episode. And I I'm going to talk about this theory here today and how this might upend the idea that it's extraterrestrial.
Now, of course, there's really no proof either way at this point, but it is a very very interesting hypothesis, and I think it's definitely worthy to talk about every once in a while. If it if this turns out to be true, then I would have to change my name uh the title of my podcast from extraterrestrial reality to something else.
Either ultraterrestrial reality or I don't know what the hell's going on reality, something to that effect. I don't know. But anyway, uh let us begin. No, I I just I just want to say uh I I wrote a lot of this out to make this easier to try to get get us going here because you know this is this is a very complicated sort of uh theory that uh people have laid it's and this is b I'm just going to give my two cents and I'm going to lay out some things that other people have talked about uh and then I'm going to try to apply it to what some of the incidents that have happened over
the decades and and see does it does it make sense that this is what's going on and it's it might it actually looks like it does actually make sense. Anyway, so let us begin. What if the non-human intelligence on Earth is not extraterrestrial, but instead some form of intelligence that has been here the whole time? Some UFO researchers posit that they believe the explanation behind many UFO sightings and encounters people have had with apparent alien beings has nothing to do with travelers from distant worlds. Instead, they believe an
intelligence that is invisible to humans because it functions in a lower density, higher frequency realm is responsible. Furthermore, some researchers believe this invisible consciousness is also responsible for other high stranges incidents humans sometimes report, such as sightings of sea monsters, Bigfoot, and encounters with ghosts.
Famous UFO researchers such as Jacqu Valet and the late John Keel started out under the assumption that reported UFO and alien encounters likely had an extraterrestrial explanation. However, after studying the phenomenon for many years, the two men eventually reached different conclusions. Valet eventually embraced the interdimensional hypothesis, which is the belief UFOs come from a parallel universe or another dimension that coexists with ours, opening windows to interact with us.
He sees the phenomenon as a sophisticated system that uses psychic and symbolic reality potentially influencing human consciousness and even religion and suggests visitors might be interlocking with our reality similar to poltergeists rather than from distant stars. Valet argues that UFO encounters are the modern guise of historical figures like fairies, elves, and demons showing a consistent pattern of paranormal visitation.
John Keel coined ultraterrestrials, a term for beings that are from a different energy wavelength akin to fairies or nature spirits, not aliens from outer space. He likened ultraterrestrials to a cosmic trickster of sorts, a non-human intelligence that orchestrates UFO events, monsters like Moth Man, ghosts, and other anomalies to deliberately confuse and control humanity.
Keel also noted that psychic disturbances often precede physical sightings, viewing both as manifestations of the same underlying turbulence or intelligence. And here are some of the key similarities in the views held by Valet and Keel. And they include moving beyond the idea of physical aliens from other planets,focusing on the psychological, cultural, and spiritual impact of these phenomena.
And both of these men saw UFOs as manifestations of something ancient and manipulative using modern technology as a disguise. Researcher and author Christopher Null harbors beliefs similar to those held by Valet and Keel. In his 2025 book, Homegrown Monsters, Null argues that there is an other present on the planet.
It has been here for an unknown period of time, has a higher frequency than humans, as well as a lower density. Null calls this other a challenger consciousness. The explanation for its existence according to null is happen stance. Just as happen stance explains how insects and reptiles evolved the way they evolved, the challenger consciousness also came into being by happen stance. Null contends.
The reason alien beings are reported to look like amalgamations of known earth creatures such as insects, reptiles, humans, etc. is because the challenger consciousness is limited to basing its creations on known earthly creatures. The challenger consciousness cannot make matter from scratch or produce creatures alien to earthly zoology writes null.
The raw materials the challenger consciousness uses to create their avatars, whether it's flying saucers, Bigfoot creatures, or alien beings are quote limited to the raw materials on Earth and in our atmosphere. Also, null writes that the challenger consciousness opts primarily for cold plasma, organic matter, and metallic elements as the materials it taps to make whatever it wishes.
Null argues that the challenger consciousness possesses awesome psychokinetic abilities, what he refers to as macrocsychokinesis or macro PK for short, to instantly create whatever it wants. Shape-shifting plasmoids, for instance, could be used to create the flying saucers sometimes seen in the sky because the challenger consciousness is capable of organizing atoms and electrons found in atmospheric plasma.
According to null, and here's a quote from null. He says, "When it comes to monsters, the challenger consciousness employs molecules, tissues, and anatomy of already existing animals, chiefly insects and reptiles, with a dash or two of human, resizing and reconfiguring them," writes null. As the modern history of abductions tells us, it can grow new life by hijacking and repurposing the DNA molecule itself.
[gasps] The challenger consciousness organizes elements at the atomic level in order to mint new matter forged to purpose. And it does so according to blueprints drawn up within the comprehensive information field through which it can 3D print so to speak any in intended form from metallic craft to shape-shifting plasmoids to dragons to mantids to little grays.
Null writes when witnesses observe aliens or UFOs seemingly disappear. It's not actually dematerializing. That's an illusion. Null writes it retains objecthood just at a higher frequency and lower density. But under null's hypothesis, there are ways for avatars of the challenger consciousness to become locked forever in our low frequency, high density reality.
When avatars of the challenger consciousness appear on Earth using quote, "Its animal and mineral avatars, the material ites is more vibrationally elastic than animals and minerals under normal circumstances." End quote. According to null, improvised bodies and spacecrafted materials for as long as they remain here below the visibility threshold can radically modulate their density.
This is how grays pass through walls and glass windows, metallic ships through water or solid ground as if as if through error. The avatars of the challenger consciousness are always ready to go away, to revert to invisibility, immune from capture, writes null. But if an alien is killed before it can revert back to its natural low density high frequency state or a UFO crashes before it can be disassembled at the molecular level, those materials stay here in our reality forever.
When raw materials become entirely devoid of consciousness, they're in what I call density lock and are of no further value to the overarching cause, writes null. Everything's disposable when you can always make new. So the bottom line here is that there's some sort of an unseen consciousness that's uh evolved on this planet alongside everything else except we just can't see it.
And uh according to null, he thinks the reason that it tries to interact with us is because it wants to be like us. It wants to know what it's like to be born, what it's like to die, but it really can't. It's going to exist forever in this realm. I mean it could uh create its own hybrid race if it wants to but they will be just uh you know containers right and and and and this exist this unseen consciousness will still continue to to move on while we humans and everything else on this world right we're born and then we die that this
consciousness is incapable of doing that that's null's hypothesis that's what he believes now I don't really know but Iguess the bottom line is this is that what these people are saying, you know, Valet and Keel and Null and others, right, is that there's some sort of force here with us that we can't see it.
It's much lower density, a higher frequency, but it has the ability to manipulate matter uh into whatever it wants to make. It could make what we think is spacecraft flying around. It could make alien creatures, right? That's why one of the reasons why they look like insects or reptiles is because they're based on things that are here.
I mean for maybe one of the reasons for the animal mutilations under this hypothesis is because they maybe they use some of those raw materials that they take from from those animals and maybe they're using that uh taking those materials and and changing it into whatever they want like physical kind of creatures, aliens themselves.
Maybe maybe that's the purpose behind it. Maybe they're not feeding off the the blood of animals. Maybe they're using it for their uh the to to uh create the avatars, the living avatars that they somehow pop into this reality to interfere with us. And the reasons why I don't know what the reasons would be, but no, like null says they're trying to be like us.
But who knows? Maybe it's a like Keel talked about cosmic trickster. Is that what it's just some sort of a game it's playing with the human race to confuse us to try to control us? Is that what it's all about? Nobody could really say, but the whole idea here is that uh it's not aliens from other worlds coming here that we're seeing.
No, it's this unseen consciousness that's making us think that's what it is. And actually, you know, when you think about this, it explains uh it puts a different perspective on some of the uh things that we talk about in this field. For instance, like the cover up, this completely changes the dynamic of the coverup is if that's what the solution is.
If if it's some sort of unseen consciousness responsible for these alien encounters, not just alien encounters, sightings of the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot, ghosts, all that stuff. All of it could have some, uh, connection to this, right? That's what it might be. I mean, uh, think about the cover up, though. Let's say, you know, the something crashes in Roswell in 1947 and, uh, they're trying to figure it out.
Of course, they're going to keep it secret, right? They're going to try to reverse engineer it in secret. At some point over the years, it probably if this theory is correct, then I'm I'm I'm thinking that maybe there were scientists within the government that might have reached the same kind of conclusions as these people as Keel Valet Null, right? Maybe that's what happened and that's why maybe in the 1960s they wanted to get out of this business of chasing UFOs, the Air Force.
Maybe that's what it was. But they uh they never revealed that it's extraterrestrials. They keep stating that it's not extraterrestrials, right? That's what they say. And maybe they know that it's not. They know that it's some unseen consciousness that we have absolutely no control over whatsoever. And we it probably be difficult to even try to understand exactly what it is or how it came to be precisely.
And what what its goal is is it go is it is the goal what from something like what null talks about? Maybe that's the reason why they wanted to get out of this chasing UFOs back in the 60s and then you had the Condan Committee report and then uh Project Blue Book was closed. Maybe that's the reason for this.
But then you have to wonder, okay, then why are is why is there now a group of people out there trying to push for disclosure, right, of this? Well, of course, the government would have recovered craft, right? Because these craft if they according to uh the hypothesis put forward by null the craft would it would be stuck in density lock.
If it's something crashes or if an alien dies or if an alien's even dying the uh spirit that's from the challenger consciousness that inhabits these uh items that animates them leaves and and what we're left is just the hole the the the husk right of what they create. Just like when we die, if there's a lot of people believe that we have a soul and when we die, that soul moves on.
That could be the same kind of uh uh thing with this, right? That that's what might be happening. And they're trying to reverse engineer a craft that maybe it's just props. Maybe there is nothing to reverse engineer. They're just props and that's all it is. And maybe the the alien creatures that they think they discovered that they thought were alien creatures were, "Oh my god, this is this this is something that is from here.
It it's it it's put together by this uh consciousness, this unseen consciousness with that with this cosmic trickster, right? And it's it's not from another planet. It's from here. Maybe they realize that and they decided, okay, we need to get out of this business and we just need to shut up about it.
We haveabsolutely no approve of extraterrestrials. But how do you tell the public this? How do you say, well, guess what? It's not we found out it's not aliens. It's some uh unseen consciousness that could do whatever it wants and we don't understand it whatsoever. I mean, how do you explain something like that to the public if that's what is the answer? And it could be and then the reasons to still keep this like a mystery and not talk about it would be to psych out other countries perhaps maybe different countries are psying each other out thinking that some
of them might have actually recovered alien craft and they are trying to reverse engineer it but no that's not what they're they're doing. No, they recovered craft that was manufactured by this Challenger consciousness and then that ended up crashing for whatever reason and there's really nothing to reverse engineer.
You'll never figure it out. It's it's not uh technological maybe perhaps, right? >> [sighs and gasps] >> But then the reason for the cover up though starts to really get different because now you have to think that well then they if the if people in the government know this or say the control group knows this maybe the reason for the cover was just you know you're bluffing and not only that you're tricking the public perhaps for something to come down the road.
You could later say yeah it is aliens from other other worlds. Here's the stuff we recovered and we don't know maybe we're going to get attacked. Maybe we do need more money. Maybe that's what it's all about too. It changes the entire dynamic of the cover up if that's the solution, right? [clears throat] But it also changes a lot of other things.
Like you think about all the encounters people have had with Bigfoot over the years, like so many different sightings of Bigfoot, but it's still elusive. You might find hairs here and there. You you'll you'll find footprints, but we don't have the actual Bigfoot yet. I mean, doesn't mean we won't get one. But if even if say a Bigfoot is is a a creature, a an avatar created by this challenger consciousness and we finally get a dead one some at some point, right? It'll only be just, you know, it's it's it's not something that really has evolved here or been
here. It was something that was just created out of the ether by this challenger consciousness and and that was left behind, right? Just like null uh argues in his hypothesis. And it was just like with everything else, you know, there's a story in this book here from Stan Gordon uh called this book here is called PrePe Cryptids.
And there was a story from uh 2014 where and from Indiana County, Pennsylvania where there was uh a woman had contacted Stan Gordon to tell him this story. And what happened was she was doing some yard work and and with a friend, a male friend. They were doing some yard work around this house in this rural area. And her friend called her over and said, "There's this, you got to see this.
There's this giant looks like a gigantic daddy longleggger right on the front of the house covering the whole door. It was like 7 feet, right? That's how big this thing is, the height of this thing, right? It was just plastered on the front of the house. [gasps] And so they talked about it and they're wondering, "What are we going to do with this, right?" And uh so they decided, "We're going to have to try to kill it.
This thing could be dangerous." So So the guy got a a piece of wood, a big piece of wood, and he hit it in the center a couple of times, right? And the spider just vanished into thin air. Just disappeared. it dissipated and there was no remnant anything left over whatsoever. It was like an illusion, right? What if you see to me this this jives with this hypothesis that there's this challenger consciousness here that could just make these things at will whenever it wants to for what purposes we can't even begin to understand. Okay.
Now, here's something else. This was in Carbondale, Pennsylvania circa 2010 where some guy he heard noises outside of his house. He placed this he put this video on YouTube and he captured what looks like a Bigfoot creature, an albino Bigfoot with white fur. I mean, this thing looks real when you're looking at this.
Uh, this thing looks real, but you know, we never catch them. We never find them that it disappears. I mean, is it And then there were other stories here actually in this same state of Pennsylvania back in the early 70s where people saw Bigfoot, but not just Bigfoot. Bigfoot and UFOs at the same time. In one instance, there was uh a Bigfoot that was seen by two teenage girls in 1973 in Western Pennsylvania and the and it was holding some sort of an orb in it in its hands.
Was it was that I I wonder now thinking about this if if this hypothesis is is correct that there is some other intelligence at work here that's here with us that's been here with us forever, right? Uh is that responsible for creating these things?all these things, all these different stories when you look at them.
Like for instance, the Lonnie Zamora case from 1964, the Sakura, New Mexico incident. Lonnie Zamora is a police officer. He's he's chasing someone uh out of town because they're speeding and he sees in the corner of his eye some kind of a flash. He thought there was an explosion. He pulls over and he sees a a landed craft, an egg-shaped craft, and two little beings walking around it.
He turns around for one for a few seconds, right? And then he turns back over uh back to face the craft. Now the two beings are no longer there and then this thing starts taking off and it blasts off and then floats away silently. Is that just was that just some uh avatar created by this challenger consciousness? All of this would be all of it would be we would never prove anything.
I mean when you look at uh the case like the Las Vegas alien incident, we see these beings phasing in and out of view throughout that entire 1 minute and 41 second long cell phone footage, right? And what's weird about it is that a few weeks before that incident happened, before this bluish green object came flying out of the sky and smashed into the backyard of the Kenmore family in Las Vegas in uh 2023.
Uh before that happened, a few weeks before that, one of the witnesses, Angel Kenmore, was at a gas station and some weird old lady came up and predicted that something weird was going to happen, that he was going to uh encounter alien beings soon. And then it happens, right? We have the evidences of what looks like alien beings appearing.
But what if it's not under this hypothesis? What we're seeing here is something else. This is these are avatars that were are being created by this that have been created by this unseen consciousness to make us think that there could be aliens. The whole thing is some sort of a gaslighting game by this unknown consciousness, unseen invisible consciousness.
It's all very weird, but that's what this all everything all of these stories might have to do with this. You know, there was how about the case of the spectre of the newbie church and and back in 1963, uh there was a priest, the Reverend Kenneth Lord was taking pictures inside the church and when he developed the pictures, he saw that there was some sort of a spectre standing there.
Now, I I I always found this story interesting because when you look at this picture, a lot of people over the years, people who looked at it originally and and for decades afterward say that it was a a face, a ghostly face with a hood on, a shroud and a shroud over its face, right? Wearing a cloak with a hood and a shroud over its face.
When you take a closer look at it, that's not what you're seeing. That's not what was going on here. There's actually some sort of a skeletal creature behind the that that's it's not wearing a shroud. It's holding up its hands like as if in surprise. You know what? What if that is it wasn't really a ghost in the church, but some sort of a uh creature, an avatar of these of this unseen consciousness.
And and and somehow it just decided, hey, we're going to play a game on this priest. He's going to take this picture and it's going to show what looks like some sort of a spectre from hell, right, inside his own church. What if that's what it is? And it has nothing to do with ghost or anything like that or or ao it's not a hoax.
It's a hoax actually, but a hoax being caused by this unseen consciousness. All of this stuff, tricks of some sort for some reason for reasons unknown. It turns the whole extraterrestrial hypothesis upside down. if this is the case. I don't know how you would prove something like this though.
But it does uh change the whole idea of of of what might be going on here, what the what the phenomenon actually entails, right? If if you really think about this, I could understand how someone could fall into this trap. I I see here's here's where I'm at with it. I don't know, right? This could be that this could be what's going on.
There could be like these guys are saying, it could be something like this. It could be something else. Could be extraterrestrial like I believe, but who knows? We really can't say like what would h Okay, here's here's something to think about too. Like what if uh we at some point in the distant future humankind is able to traverse the stars and find other planets perhaps life uh bearing planets and we find a planet similar to Earth but there's no intelligent life but there's it's teameming with other kinds of life.
Would there already be any sort of a challenger or consciousness already existing there or would the one that we that's here with us now would it follow us there? How would that work? Like there's a lot of different questions that come into mind when when you're thinking about this whole hypothesis. Something else that's interesting here too is the fact that like you know in 1947 this all the the UFO craze startedwith the sighting of Kenneth Arnold, right? And it's what's interesting about this is that Arnold reported seeing
crescentshaped objects. There were nine crescentshaped objects. He was out he was flying in his plane his uh in his single engine plane over Mount Reneer in Washington state and he saw these uh below him at flying at incredible speeds these nine crescent-shaped objects and when he he reported on this when he when he landed uh later on and uh he he told reporters that these objects they were skipping across the sky like like uh like a saucer would skip across water if you threw a saucer a Frisbee across the water would skip the same way and so
they that's when flying saucers that term was coined because of what kind of Arnold stated a reporter took that even though he the the objects he said they saw were crescent shaped but then after that all the objects that people were seeing were for the most part I mean there's various shapes but most people were reporting flying saucers saucershaped objects like the they weren't the crescent-shaped objects that Kenneth Arnold had reported no they were saucers shaped now it turns out that there were other cases in before Kenneth
Arnold that pro cropped up over the years where people said they saw flying saucers. But I find it interesting that he saw different different shaped objects. They weren't saucer shaped, but because the the the population, the general population had it in their minds that he saw flying saucers, that's what they were thinking.
And so it has it comes to mind here that maybe this challenger consciousness latched on to that. Okay, they're they think that they're seeing flying saucers. Okay, we're going to show them flying saucers. Maybe that's how that happened. Maybe that's the explanation for all of this. And it also, you know, when you really think about the cover up, too, it really it it really makes it worse, I think, in a way because that means the government does have an idea what's if this is the case, right? That means the government does have an idea what's going on. They
know it's not extraterrestrial, but they're pretending it is. And they're saving that in their back pocket for some point down the road where they say where they tell us, "Yeah, here we think we're going to have an alien invasion. Here's the proof right here. We we captured some flying saucers. Here's their alien bodies right here.
" When really, no, these things were were manufactured by this challenger consciousness that's already here. But they got in but they got in here and they died while they were here or crashed while they were here. And that's why they have them, right? They weren't the animating force that that was uh was in them.
The the spirit the animating spirit departed when these things either died or crashed or whatever, right? And and we recovered them, right? But there there's that's all it is. It's just a remnant from this other dimension or whatever you want to call it or parallel universe, whatever you want to say. And that's it's and the government's just holding this in their back pocket.
They don't want the people to tell know the truth that it is some sort of a, you know, unseen consciousness responsible for all of this stuff, for everything, all these weird things that happen on this planet. That's where the blame would be placed on this weird consciousness. And also, if this were the case, that makes it that we don't know that it's possible that there are other beings out there.
That means that we don't know. We we would still be in the realm of we're the only intelligent life in the universe as far as we know. I I believe everyone thinks that there's no question that there's life on throughout the universe, but we would not have that evidence then. We would not be able to say, "Well, these things are from other other planets because now we know they're no, they're not.
They're the products of this unseen consciousness that's here with us all the time." So that means that we would it would it should put a additional hotter fire under our butts to try to search the stars to try to reach for the stars to try to search find other planets where there might be intelligent life.
right? That that that that makes makes it so we might be the first ones to travel to other worlds like this. Maybe maybe it's the maybe the the reality is is that nothing to this point has ever traveled uh from one planet to another. Maybe that is true in under this hypothesis, right? And maybe we could end up being the first ones to finally do that.
So that whole concept of other beings from other planets coming here, it's totally false under this hypo. Well, it wouldn't be that's totally false. We wouldn't have any evidence for it because then we would have the answer for all these for all this strange phenomena going on for all these years. That would explain everything, right? No matter which whatever you look at it could everythingcould be explained using this challenger consciousness concept could be folks. I know it's mindbending.
I I I have trouble articulating this. I I that's why I wrote a lot of it out at first just to get us going here. But it could be the case. It that's a possibility. That's why when you know Christopher Null was on my show earlier this year, I thought, well, you know, uh yeah, it's very interesting.
I'm I'm not sure I'd buy it, but you know, here I'll tell you what happened. I was actually looking at this uh that just recently I talked about this video where this guy from Rhode Island and uh he, you know, captured on his security camera. And by the way, I want to make I have another correction.
It was not I the first time I called it red link, the second time I called it real link. It's actually Rio link. It's not an A. It's It wasn't a D, then it wasn't an A. I made a mistake twice, so I screwed up twice. It's actually Rio link. R E O L I N K. Now, if you look at their uh at their logo there, the way that that that looks like it could be a D or an A in my mind cuz it's it's curved on one side and uh flat and straight on the other.
That's why I thought that's what at first I thought it was a D. Then I thought it was an A cuz I heard this this man who who provided this uh video to Scott Roer, the crime scene reconstruction expert uh during one of his recent podcast. I heard this guy pronounce it as Rio Link, but I was thinking he meant real link. No, no, he meant Rio Link.
So, I just want to point that out. But anyway, looking at that video now, I don't know if that video is showing us anything. I can't say with 100% accuracy. I keep getting some comments from people saying it's just a spiderweb. It's just a spiderweb. Uh just a could be a cocoon. This and that, right? But here's the thing, right? At one point in this video, if you look at the right hand corner of the screen, right? There's nothing there until this orb splits apart and then all of a sudden there's something there. And at first, it looks
like it could be an alien face, right? And then I talked about how looks like there might be another alien face on the other side of this orb when it breaks into that we could just see momentarily. But whatever the case, if you look at the right part of the screen, right, where you see this orb breaking apart, and then you see this movement, you see a face, and then you see movement.
It looks like there might be a hand holding this other smaller football-shaped orb, right? I'm thinking to myself, you know, what if that's what's happening here? What if this what if it is uh what Valet and and Keel and and Null and others uh believe that it's this other consciousness here with us, this cosmic trickster of of sorts, right? And basically what we're seeing here is the uh popping into reality of one of these uh beings, one of these avatars that this uh consciousness is capable of creating. What if that's what it is? And
that's what made me think of it. I don't know what it is. It could turn out to be nothing in this video. I'm not I'm not 100% on it. I just find it interesting that, you know, there's nothing there until this thing splits apart and then you see something's there for the duration of that video. Something is there next to that little smaller football-shaped orb that had broken off with from the bigger orb, right? And it looks like there's something there.
What if that's we're actually seeing in this the uh introduction to the to this to our world of something of some right now when when it first shows up, it's not it's not dense. It's it's it's just, you know, it's it's it's not uh fully uh we could it's almost somewhat invisible, but there's something there.
But it's forming. this is how they come into this uh uh realm, right? It's almost the same thing as that object we see flying from the sky over Las Vegas. What if that whole thing was just this challenger consciousness about to uh about to introduce into the world creatures that just created uh from raw materials.
It just instantaneously and it and it all uh happens right in that backyard. that thing lands, it breaks apart and it's the it's that orb. It wasn't a craft. It was some sort of plasma animal material combined and it was getting formed flying through the sky and then it hits the back into the backyard and then suddenly there's all these beings there and cuz when when when that thing landed the witnesses said they heard what sounded like thousands of footsteps running off in various directions.
Maybe it's not a crap. Maybe it's a product of this challenger consciousness. Maybe that's what happened. And it goes with all these cases, you know, all these cases could involve this, would involve this. That's what it would be. The Betty and Barney Hill case, you know, the Villa Boas case, all these alien abduction cases, the Pasigula case from 1973, you know, Charles Hixon, Calvin Parker, uh, that what they experiencedwas a craft that landed near them while they were fishing, night fishing, and all of a sudden these weird floating
entities come out of the craft and grab them, take them in. Yeah, it was. But it was something that wasn't they weren't beings from another world. They're just it's just this challenger consciousness interested in us trying to figure us out trying to figure out how they it could become more like us.
And that's what this is all about. It has nothing to do with alien creatures interested in us or trying to uh hybridize us. No, it's this challenger consciousness trying to figure out how to be like us. All of it. All of it has to do with that perhaps. I don't know. And then sometimes they just play games.
the giant spider on the side of the house, the Bigfoot in the woods, all of it. All this stuff could be the the Loch Ness monster sightings, right? Sometimes people have claimed, you know, I've seen the priest actually saying, "I swear to God, you know, there was a I saw, you know, was a creature sticking his neck out, right? All of it could be due to this challenger consciousness.
" And it could and maybe they that's what is responsible for some of these disappearances in the woods. There's a lot of really weird disappearances where somebody's there and the next second they're gone, right? Could be this challenger of consciousness taking that person uh wanting to use that person for its uh for the production of new avatars.
The who knows? I'm all of this is all of this is is a hypothesis. [sighs and gasps] But if it's true, then of course I would have to change the title of my show to something else. I'd have to change it to I don't know something different. Ultraterrestrial h uh reality. Uh, I don't know what the hell's going on. Reality.
Something's here with us, but we can't. We have no idea what it is. Reality. I I don't know. You'd have to change it to something else. It would that But here's the here's the good thing. We're never going to figure this out. I don't think we're not going to know. If that's what it is, I don't know how we would ever know for a fact.
But it is possible that people with government scientists might have reached this conclusion a long time ago, right? That that's possible. Maybe that's the reason the Air Force wanted to get out of looking after chasing after UFOs. uh uh chasing UFO stories, uh investigating UFO reports. Maybe that's why they wanted to close Project Blue Book because they knew it was never going to get them anything.
And that all of this stuff they they determined it must be something that's already here and it's just something that's screwing with us. It's some sort of a cosmic trickster. How do we tell the public about this? We can't. They would never believe it. It's absolutely insane hypothesis. But at the same I mean I mean even if you were to show the public the remnants of the craft would that be would that serve as enough proof to back up this potential explanation? I don't think it would.
I don't know what would actually. You'd have to you have to have your own experiences. And even people who have their own experiences walk away thinking it's aliens from other worlds, right? Or at least some sort of intelligence that's already been here. Uh a physical intelligence. They don't think that it's some sort of non-physical intelligence that has the ability to create these things out of uh at the molecular level on at the atomic level right here on Earth and just make it appear and then make it disappear at will when it wants
to. I that's that's a hard cell. That would really be a hard cell. I mean it's hard to even articulate this whole concept. I mean when you really think about all of this, right, it does uh explain better all these weird things that have been going on over the year for over the years. For instance, uh Men in Black encounters.
There's been so many different weird Men in Black encounters where these strange guys shows up show up at somebody's house after they see a UFO and then they disappear. They act strange. All of that could be uh explained by this Challenger consciousness or this cosmic trickster just playing games or uh for instance like the you hear a lot of the strange stories that occurred at Skinwalker Ranch like when that family first moved there back in the 1990s.
They had this experience with this giant wolf. They kept on shooting at it. It seemed like it it was it was killing one of its uh livestock and they tried shooting at this thing and it did just kept on moving around. It wasn't it didn't die. Then it took off. It it ran away, walked away.
They followed its tracks and then the tracks just ended. It just vanished. Right. Is that does that challenge Does the challenger consciousness explain all of these kind of weird uh activities that we hear about? It could be folks. It could be. Well, I just want to say again, uh, if you're interested in this subject and this hypothesis, I I highlyrecommend this book, Homegrown Monsters by Christopher Null. It's a great read.
I actually read it twice already. Uh, and I also want to say this, you know, I'll leave I'll leave it with this. What what if this is the situation? If this is a a true phenomenon, if this is what if this is the explanation for all of this, that there's some sort of other consciousness here, an an other, right? That's what that's what's doing all of this.
some the challenger consciousness as uh described as uh by Christopher Null, the cosmic trickster as described by John Keel. If that's what's responsible, what if this is the case? What if the planet we're living on itself is actually alive itself? All of its little living elements like us, amieba, fish, whatever. All of it, this this planet is crawling with life forms, right? All over the the entire thing is covered with life forms.
What if all of it is uh constitutes one singular life form and then that is the the planet itself is this consciousness. That's what constitutes this other consciousness. It's and maybe that's the explanation for all of this, right? Maybe sometimes this if this if this explains it right, this consciousness is what sends out its little messengers sometimes too with concerns like maybe that aerial school incident in 1994 was the planet sending out its little avatars, it flying saucer, it little creatures to communicate with these
little kids. Hey, technology is bad. You better look out. It could cause all this destruction, right? That's what's going on. What if that's the case? [snorts] It could be. Could be. something to think about, right? Anyway, I just want to say this. I want to say thank you all for joining me. Until next time.
