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I think that itself is a really crazy thing to say and admit as a as a scientist, as a quantum physicist, you have to admit that observing something changes its state from from wave to particle. It changes fundamentally what it is just by observing it. Yeah, it's it's it's wild. And then to assume it's coming from elsewhere is another thing.
Um, you know, the way that I see it is that if like what are the odds that these races are also bipedal, have, you know, five, four, five fingers, have front-facing eyes, you know, well, like the odds of that I don't think are that great if you look at the vastness of the different types of like planets and solar systems. So, there has to be some type of link to us.
And so I would assume way before because if we're here and you know I get people's argument like well you're traveling all these light years to just come here you know what I mean and that kind of seems insane. I would agree with that. First of all if you're traveling in a straight line with you know regular propulsion. Yes it's insane.
But secondly, um to me it makes way more sense that they like we were sort of genetically modified again and that they're probably I mean probably I don't know but it's there seems to be some type of ultraterrestrial presence here. Ultraterrestrial. Yeah. Being like there there there like some breakaway civilization or there's something whether it's deep in the mountains behind the moon, the bottom of the ocean.
There seems to be some type of monitoring monitoring system that has been here for a very long time. And you know we see this show up in lots of if you read all the old you know passport to Meonia or all these incredible books by Jacqu Valet where he looks at past cases you know in the 1500s 1600s even further back than that thousands of years ago in Japan where like they they said the stars were uh were dancing and uh and then and then was asked you know uh how come that is and he said oh the wind was really strong and that was the answer they gave and they're like all
right and they kind of just moved on right makes sense. Sounds good. Checks out. So, you know, you have all these tales of like, yeah, things have been going on for a very long time. It doesn't seem like this is an outside thing, but then again, maybe it's both. Maybe it's both.
Like, why would it just be us and them? That's what I'm talking about, you know? Like, why can't you combine it? Well, if if it's in For me, it's insane to think it's just us in the universe. Obviously, it's not just us in the universe. But if it's just us and then just them, I think that's more insane. I think it's either just us or everything, right? It's it's if it's just two just two of us in the whole universe.
Like that to me sounds more insane. Yes. Than just being alone in the universe. One of one of the Hollywood scenes that sticks in my head more than any other. That was Hold on. Men in Black. Which one? The at the end the end shot with the pool with the Yeah. the marble or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
When every time I think about that, just like the ball and then the other ball and then the big ball and then the big balls and and then [ __ ] they're playing with it. Yeah. And I'm like, why would that not make sense? Are have you ever looked at the cells in our body? As above so below, man. I mean, holy [ __ ] It's like Joe, can you actually pull this up? This is a good parallel.
It's it's like an in some ways like a nonsequittor, but it'll make sense, I think, to you. Can you pull up map of Rome of the Roman Empire veins? Like the word veins running coursing through you. I don't know if it'll be on Google. It was on Twitter. I wish I'd saved this. Yeah. First one. Yep. That's it. Like look at the pattern of how Rome built.
Yeah. Now think of we're neither of us are doctors, but think about the human body that we know that we see a picture of or Exactly. And like why would that not be the same thing with some sort of pattern at the cellular level that then also explains the universe the same way that every [ __ ] thing in the world down to Picasso's art is technically math. It's numbers.
Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. I I I agree with that. I think uh to a certain level I think you know I I don't think we have reality figured out at all. Um I I do I tend to think that consciousness isn't a byproduct of our brain. I I do think it's fundamental. Can you explain that? Uh so yeah the idea that like consciousness if you look at you know regular physics and regular science tells us that our brain creates reality.
So it's because of our brain that we are conscious. It's because of our brain that that things exist that we see them right because of our brain we perceive it. But um you know the sort of fringe uh parasychological route or the sort of fringe science is that and I think will be accepted as main science one day is that um consciousness is fundamental.
So consciousness exists and it's because consciousness exists that that I that this is here. So if you take like the double slit experiment for instance, I know it's a terrible thing to quote if you're not a physicist like myself. Um but it shows us that observation changes something. Mhm. I think that itself is a really crazy thing to say and admit as a as a scientist, as a quantum physicist, you have to admit that observing something changes its state from from wave to particle.
It changes fundamentally what it is just by observing it. Yeah. Yeah. Now, if I get that wrong, maybe, you know, roast me in the comments. But I think that's like the gist of it, right? And that's all you need to really understand that, okay, what I'm observing isn't what reality is. It's different if I observe it or if I don't observe it.
So, I think, you know, you can go down crazy rabbit holes with this stuff, but I mean, you could go to the multiverse rabbit hole with that one. You could, but all that might all just be sort of in the desktop. might not be outside the computer at all. Right? Um I I I I do think that if you know if you look at quantum mechanics, it's kind of um removed from space and time, right? That's kind of how it functions.
Weirdly enough, like even Einstein called it spooky, you know, uh this idea of quantum entanglement that two photons, you know, separated by an infinite distance will instantly switched if one is charged positive, I think, and then the other one goes negative like instantly from from like a crazy Yeah. From a crazy distance.
Uh so just that alone, you're not beholden to space. Therefore, time is also so does that mean you can also change that photon in time? Um, you know, because time and space are linked. So, you know, does that mean that everything is just happening all at once and that the only reason we perceive it otherwise is the brain? We've also only accepted time as we know it, which is constant and moving forward, right? Like we're born and at some point we die, which means time moved from A to B and a lot of [ __ ] maybe happens in between.
But when you start to think about even the small and I think that's all it is is the small scientific understandings we even have of time now including like time dilation. What was the name of that experiment again? Do you remember that where they they put the watch up into space and went around the earth and it was it came back in Yeah.
That was to prove Einstein's theory of relativity. Yeah. Yeah. I forget what that one was. I talked about it with Lawrence Krauss back in episode 180. I I I can't remember what the name of it was but it's real. And then like the extrapolated kind of Hollywood example that injects. Yeah, there it is. The he the the Healele Keing experiment.
I just want to read this for people to have the understanding. The Hellle Keing experiment was a test of the theory of relativity in 1971. Joseph Halele it might be Hale a physicist and Richard E. Keading an astronomer took four cesium beam atomic clocks aboard commercial airliners. They flew twice around the world, first eastward, then westward, and compared the clocks in motion to stationary clocks at the United States Naval Observatory.
When reunited, the three sets of clocks were found to disagree with one another, and the differences were consistent with the predictions of special and general relativity. Meaning, it's exactly what it sounds like, people. It And which happened after Einstein died, right? Yes. Which is wild. Isn't that crazy that Yeah.
Isn't that That's a while after he died, too, I think. Right. Yeah. Yeah. like his his his uh general and special relativity wasn't accepted while he was alive. I think that's an in like a tragedy. Yeah. For him. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean obviously like we have his legacy now, but it's like imagine like people forget people forget how fringe quantum physics was. Yeah.
U you know prior to World War II it was you know when Neils Boore and all these guys were you know Oenheimer were you know playing around with this idea they were outcasts. They were literally like, "You're crazy. You're insane." The same way we're treating a lot of people looking into parasychology, you know, and I think there's something to be said there.
I think Can you explain parasychology to Yeah. the I you know studying sigh studying um psychic ability there's places like the the Ryan Institute places like Stanford research institute the parasychological labs at Princeton all these places are researching you know uh the mind's or the consciousness's effect on the physical world and and you know how we can interact with that they're doing random number generator tests which are really interesting which is like these ones and zeros basically how does this work it's like a server that just goes from
that that produces a bunch of ones and zeros and if you play it long enough it'll just be like 50/50. Okay. And they're having people essentially focus on either the ones or the zeros and they're able to skew uh to a higher point than standard deviation the ones onto one side or the zeros onto another side. Right.
So you're affecting on a very small scale uh physical reality through conscious interaction. You anchor them in a way. Yeah, you're changing a little bit. And so they had these machines run. There's these servers. I think you can even sign up your own computer for one of these services to be a part of these servers. But essentially, the biggest spike they've ever had was at 911.
That was the biggest spike they've ever had they've ever recorded was at 911 they had a huge spike. What? How do they Yeah. Yeah. How do they explain that? Um, so they they they they just know that like somehow that effect whatever happened there, I mean, you have to assume that it's probably tied to, you know, obviously human consciousness, global consciousness perhaps.
Uh there's this crazy study that they did too where they had 5,000 people meditate and the crime rate lowered significantly during those three weeks. If you if you can look that up, five 5,000 people meditated for 3 weeks. And they did this twice. They did a followup with 3,000 people in the in the Washington area and crime rate dropped by like 15%.
And hospitalizations dropped. Like a lot of these they they uh meditated on world peace. Now, they did this once. They did it once with 5,000 and another time with 3,000. Okay. So, because people thought it was a it was a fluke. So, they did it again. And it worked again. Yeah. It worked again. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. See, this is the problem.
We call [ __ ] crazy, and maybe something is, but you can't know something's crazy unless you actually continually test the theory. That's what life is supposed to be. I don't Why do we demonize this thing? Well, because any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, right? So, anytime we have something that reaches further than our comprehension of it, we we think it's paranormal, right? And we give it this taboo sort of sticker of, you know, this is magic.
It's a it's no it's a psychological phenomenon. No, you're hallucinating. No, it's and we're trying to fit into the world that we already know. And it's just until someone brave enough, you know, smashes down those borders, whether it's Einstein or whether it's, you know, people working in parasychology.
I think you have to push boundaries, especially if you're hitting a wall, you know, like we are with quantum physics. We have no unifying theory. No. Between, you know, the practical classical physics and the quantum realm. And so there are people who are trying to study that. But those people are every theory that comes out is if it doesn't line up with relativity, it's kind of thrown out the window.
And it's creating these and this is like kind of related, but it's also creating these factions within science, too, where you have like the string theory people. And then the people are like, "Wait, what if that's not the base and we got to get a new bait?" You know what I mean? Scientism. Yeah, it's I like that.
I'm going to use that. Yeah. Scientism. Yeah, that's what it feels like. we're uh you know, we're kind of like trying and and that that stuff's been going on forever, forever. Forever. Anytime we came up with something groundbreaking, that's what we were up against. It's no different today. Like I don't want to be one of those people who the minute I hear some new crazy ideas like, "Oh yeah, we got that's going to work. Let's check it.
" I don't want to be that, but I do want to be the guy that's like, "Hm, tell me more about that. How can we test this? what is the proper way to put that through some sort of whatever scientific method to determine if we can get to some level of truth that warrants more experimentation on it and so you talk about like these I guess like experiments that are happening with psionics and stuff you know we saw one even mainstream go main at least like to people last year with the whole telepathy tapes thing yeah you know what I mean and there were so
many people who even before listening to that just shut it down were like no [ __ ] [ __ ] way. And I'm not saying these kids, these autistic kids are telepathic, but like if you actually listen to it and look at the double blind experiments they did all over the world, it's compelling.
And you have to at least say, even if it's not that, there's some sort of there there. So, let's learn. There might be. There might be. Yeah, I like that. even say there might be, you know, like let's learn more about that instead of just dismissing it when in fact like we don't we have it as accepted science that something like a savant exists.
Yeah, it's accepted science and we don't even know how savants are made. We don't know how it's made. Some [ __ ] kid can come out and play Beethoven and [ __ ] do algebra out of his ass and it's like, oh yeah, that's normal. Yeah. Say, oh, it's a savant syndrome. Yeah. Yeah. But then you say, hey, I think some non-verbal autistics might be able to communicate with each other.
Blasphemy. Yeah, it's like how do these how is this the same world? You know what I mean? Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here.
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