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If I could, I I would I would certainly slow down uh AI and robotics, but I I can't. It's advancing at a very rapid pace, whether I like it or not. >> Is AI what keeps you up at night? >> It used to be this point. I don't know. I I wouldn't say this. There's nothing particularly keeping me up at night right now.
I had AI nightmares many days in a row. What am I supposed to do about it? >> What's your biggest irrational fear? >> I I try not to have irrational fears. >> None. >> If I find an irrational fear, I squelch it. I don't believe fear is the mind killer. So, I want somebody who feels fair strongly. >> Who's the funniest person you know in real life? >> You know, President Trump is very funny.
He's got a great sense of humor. >> President Trump is very funny. >> He's very funny. He's like naturally funny. Was somewhat ef effortless. I mean, um, you know, when he was had Ed Mumani in the office and uh they asked him if he still thought the president was a fascist and the president said just say yes. It's easier that way.
Don't worry about it. Just say yes. >> Who do you look up to the most? >> The creator. >> What's your current position on God? >> God is the creator. >> You don't believe in God though, do you? Well, I believe there was DC this universe came for something. People have different labels. There's a lot coming down the pike.
>> Like what? >> Starship. The degree to which a Starship is a revolutionary technology is not well understood in the world. This is the first design where a reusable rocket is one of the possible outcomes where success is in a set of possible outcomes. >> Are you talking about V3 or V2? >> Well, we could have made V2 reusable.
There were a lot of performance improvements for V3. So, it made sense to go to V3. They're just there's like 10,000 different changes uh between V2 and E3. Maybe more than 10,000 really. If there are historians in the future, they'll look back and at Starship and say this is one of the most profound things that ever happened.
You can think of historic events as where would they fit on the in the evolutionary hall of fame. You've got things like single cell life. Then you've got um you know multisellular life capturing mitochondria so that you have a power cell in the plant in the cell. You've got like a power plant in the cell. You've got, you know, differentiation into plants and animals, life going from oceans to land, and then also on that scale, probably in the top 10 is life becoming multilanetary.
There just aren't very many things that are in the top 10 of the evolution of life. >> We're all being pushed to use AI more and more, but nobody really talks about who's actually on the other end of those conversations. Chat GPT has the former director of the NSA sitting on its board. Edward Snowden called that a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every person on Earth.
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The link is in the first line of the description. >> You could evaluate any given uh civilization or any given life form on that scale. So life becoming multilanetary. It's in the top 10. It needs to be sustainably multi multilanetary. So not just visiting but actually multilanetary in the sense that if you have planetary redundancy.
So if one of the planets if there were to be a catastrophe on one of the planets, the other planet would survive. >> All of your companies >> Starship is capable of doing that for the first time in history and no AI was used to create it. So the AI will appreciate that. >> Are all of your companies working towards that same goal to help us become multilanetary? Like does the AI exist to be able to help life on Mars or is that primarily for what is happening here currently? >> You know Tesla is mostly about making sure life on Earth is good and NXAI is
about that too because multilanetary means Earth's got to be good and you need another planet. Sometimes people think because they they have legacy templates, mental templates, they think that going to Mars is an escape from Earth like or that it would be some, you know, place where billionaires would go or something like that.
Um but but actually Mars will be very dangerous and the moon base will be also dangerous, much more dangerous and much less comfortable than Earth. So the people that would go in the early days to make life multilanetary on Mars or the moon, they would have a much higher risk of death if they stayed on Earth and the things would be cramped and uncomfortable.
So that's the sales pitch for Mars. It's going to be uncomfortable. The food won't be as good as Earth. Uh you might die. It's going to be a massive amount of hard work and um it may not succeed. >> Do you want to go? >> Same as when people came to America. >> Yeah. You didn't want to be in Jamestown, >> but people went anyway. >> Yeah.
Maybe if there had been social media back then, they would have saying, "Uh, we're all dying. Here's videos of us dying." Would have probably put a damper on future voyages. They just a whole bunch of people just disappeared. We don't know what happened to them. I think it's and I get asked this a lot when I do interviews about you. >> Me? >> Oh, I get asked everyone always thinks you're a very difficult person to work for. I think you're very kind.
>> Thanks. >> Like people think which you're you are like a very demanding boss. I think that you are I've never heard you yell at any employee. >> Yeah, I don't yell. >> I think every employee who works at every single one of your companies is incredibly missiondriven, which is unlike any other workplace I've ever seen.
Starbase is the most inspirational place you'll ever go to. >> Everyone is there to work on a singular goal. And so I think to me the biggest misconception about you is how every employee at all of your companies are fiercely loyal because it's all mission driven and you are a very good employer to work for and I think people assume you are not >> right.
Well, why would they think anyone would work at the company? I mean talent I mean talented people can go work anywhere they want. So they're only going to work at one of my companies if they want to and if they're mistreated in some way they would they would leave and go work somewhere else. I do have this theory about the predicting the future which is that the most interesting outcome is the most likely which if simulation theory is accurate uh makes sense because if anyone is simulating a wide range of futures they're going to stop the simulation
when it gets boring cuz this is what we do in our reality. If SpaceX is doing or Tesla doing simulations to understand how a car would work or robot or spaceship or something like that, we run all these simulations in the computer and the simulations that um we pay attention to are the ones that that are the most interesting.
Like the simulation where everything goes right on the rocket, we actually don't pay attention to it because that's not a the everything goes right simulation is um is fine. So we actually test the you know when we simulate the the rocket flight, we'll actually test all sorts of oddball situations.
We don't have the simulation be totally wrong because I mean like if the rocket just explodes immediately that's not not also not interesting. So it's it's like you you need to find the envelope of possible flight paths where the rocket can make it to orbit and uh without exploding and then you find those boundaries and then when you launch the actual rocket you try you make sure it stays within those boundaries.
Or another way to think of it is like we could be an alien Netflix and that that series is only going to get continued if our ratings are good. >> Are the ratings good? >> Yeah. If you can think of it like from a Darwinian standpoint applied if if you apply Darwin to simulation theory then the only the most interesting simulations will continue.
Therefore the most interesting outcome is the most likely it's either that or annihilation. So really we have one goal keep it interesting. Well I think it'll actually be that people don't have to work. It may not be that far in the future maybe only I don't know 10 I say less than 20 years in less my prediction is less than in less than 20 years working will be optional.
working at all will be optional like a hobby >> and that would be because of increased productivity meaning people do not have to work >> they don't have to I mean look this obviously people can play this back in 20 years and say look Elon made this ridiculous pred prediction it's not true but I think it will turn out to be true that in less than 20 years maybe even as little as I don't know 10 or 15 years the advancements in AI and robotics will bring us to the point where working is optional in the same way that like say you could you can grow your own
vegetables in your garden or you could go to the store and buy vegetables. You know, it's much harder to grow your own vegetables but but you know some people like to grow their vegetables which is fine. You know, but it it'll be optional in that way is my prediction. If one were to argue that humans are innately competitive and everything is relative from the time of hunters, somebody wanted to be the alpha hunter or the biggest farmer.
If everybody gets a universal high income and everybody has enough, >> what do you compete for? >> It would be relative, right? Like if we all had enough, enough is not enough. >> Yeah. I I I guess I I I'm not exactly sure cuz we're we're really headed into the singularity as it's called which you know they refer to AI sometimes as the kind of like the black hole like a singularity.
You don't know what happens after the event horizon. It doesn't mean that something bad happens just means you don't know what happens. I like I'm I'm confident that if AI and robotics continue to advance which they are advancing very rapidly like I said working will be optional and people will have any goods and services that they want like if you can think of it you can have it type of thing and but then at a certain point AI will actually saturate on anything humans can think of and then at at that point it it becomes a situation where AI is doing things for
AI and robotics are doing things AI and robotics because they've run out of things to do to make the humans happy you know cuz there's a limit you know they say like there's always people can only eat so much food or you know but it's going to be I think if you can think of it you can have it will be the future >> you know the Austrian school of economics if you go back in time with the digression from Adam Smith >> they talk about the marginal utility of everything having one of something has value having two of the same thing has
lesser value and having 10 of The same thing has no value. >> Yes. >> So if we could have everything we wanted, maybe >> 10 marshmallows. I mean, who wants that? >> One's a one's plain. >> By 2016, I had built this computer called the DGX1. The one that you saw me give to Elon is called DGX Spark. The DGX1 was $300,000.
It cost Nvidia a few billion dollars to make the first one. And instead of two chips SLI, we connected eight chips with a technology called MVLink, but it's basically SLI supercharged. Okay. >> Okay. >> And so we connected eight of these chips together instead of just two. And all of them work together just like your Quake rig did to solve this deep learning problem to train this model.
And so I create we created this thing. I announced it at GTC and at one of our annual annual events and I described this deep learning thing, computer vision thing and this computer called DJX1. The audience was like completely silent. They had no idea what I was talking about. And I was lucky because I I had known Elon and uh I helped him build the first computer for Model 3 uh the Model S and uh and when he wanted to start working on autonomous vehicle, I helped him build the computer that went into the the Model S AV system, his full full
self-driving system. We were basically the FSD computer version one. And so we were already working together and um when I announced this thing, nobody in the world wanted it. I had no purchase orders. Not not one. Nobody wanted to buy it. Nobody wanted to be part of it except for Elon.
He goes he was at the event and we were doing a fireside chat about the future of self-driving cars. I think it's like 2016. Yeah. 20 maybe at that time it was 2015. And he goes, "You know what? I have a company that could really use this." And I said, "Wow, my first customer." And so, so I was pretty excited about it.
And he goes, "Uh, yeah. Uh, we have this company. It's a nonprofit company." And all the blood drained out of my face. Yeah. I just spent a few billion dollars building this thing. It cost $300,000. And, you know, the chances of a nonprofit being able to pay for this thing is approximately zero. and he goes, "You know, this is a it's an AI company and uh it's a nonprofit and and uh we could really use one of these supercomputers.
" And so I I picked it up. I built the first one for ourselves. We're using it inside the company. I boxed one up. I drove it up to San Francisco and I delivered to Elon in 2016. A bunch of researchers were were there. Peter Be was there. Ilia was there. And there was a bunch of people there. And uh I walk up to the second floor where they were all kind of in a room.
this smaller than your place here and and uh uh that place turned out to have been open AAI >> 2016. >> Wow. >> Just a bunch of people sitting in a room. >> It's not really uh nonprofit anymore though, is it? >> They're not They're not nonprofit anymore. Yeah. >> Weird how that works. >> Yeah. Yeah. But anyhow Anyhow, Elon was there.
The Yeah, it was it was really a great great moment. >> Oh yeah. There you go. Yeah, that's it. >> Look at you, bro. Same jacket. >> Look at that. I haven't aged. >> Not Not a lick of black hair, though. >> Uh the size of it is uh it's significantly smaller. That was the other day. SpaceX. >> Yeah. There you go. >> Yeah. Look at the difference.
>> Exactly the same industrial design. >> He's holding it in his hand. >> Here. Here's the amazing thing. DJX1 was one pedlops. Okay, that's a lot of flops. And DJX Spark is one pedalops. Nine years later. >> Wow. >> The same the same amount of computing horsepower >> in a much smaller >> shrunken down. Yeah. >> And instead of $300,000, it's now $4,000 >> and it's the size of a small book.
>> Incredible. >> Crazy. >> That's how technology moves. Anyways, that's the reason why I wanted to get give him the first one >> because I gave him the first one 2016. >> It's so fascinating. I mean, if you wanted to make a story for a film, I mean, that would be the story that like what what better scenario if if if it really does become a digital life form, how funny would it be that it is birthed out of the desire for computer graphics for video games? >> Exactly.
>> Isn't it kind of cra It's kind of crazy. Yeah, >> kind of crazy when you think about it that way because >> it's just perfect origin story. >> Which one of all that all the products and services that you're building has got you most excited today? Well, I I think that there's increasingly a convergence actually between SpaceX and Tesla and XAI in that if the future is solar powered AI satellites, which it pretty much needs to be in order to in order to harness a non-trivial amount of the energy of the sun, you have to move
to solar powered AI satellites in deep space, which somewhat is a confluence of Tesla expertise and SpaceX expertise and XAI. on the the AI front. So, it does feel like over time there's somewhat of a convergence there, but all the companies are doing doing great things. Very proud of the teams that do great work.
So, you know, we're making great progress with Tesla on the autonomous driving. I don't know if you've tried the self-driving. >> Mhm. >> Have you tried it? >> I've tried it in the VMO, not in the Tesla. >> Yeah, >> it's worth uh we actually have it here in in Austin, so you can >> I'd love to try it. >> You you can literally just download the Tesla app.
>> Yeah. And I and I think I think it's open to to anyone. Definitely try it out. I mean, you know, you know how it goes. But, uh, you know, we've made a lot of progress with electric vehicles, with uh, battery packs and solar and and very much so with self-driving. So, basically real world AI.
Tesla is the world leader in real world AI, I would say. So, and then we're going to be making this robot Optimus, which is, you know, starting production hopefully somewhere next year at scale. And I think that's going to be pretty cool. That'll be like I think everyone's going to want their own personal C3PO R2-D2, you know, helper, help a robot.
Like, it would be pretty cool. And then SpaceX is doing great work with the Starlink program, you know, providing lowcost, reliable internet throughout the world. Hopefully India. We'd love to be operating in India. That would be great. We're operating in 150 different countries now with Starlink. >> Elon is obviously an individual and like one of the most talented humans of all time and a visionary who works harder than I can even imagine.
You know, works 16our days, 7 days a week. >> He just works when he's awake. I mean, and I think maybe even sometimes when he's sleeping or he just or he doesn't sleep much, but I've tried to keep up with him a couple days and like I'm a pretty fit guy. I literally can't keep up with him physically. And so anyways, Elon as an individual is one of the most talented people in the world.
But I view Elon as almost like there's a second thing. There's Elon the collective, which is probably about 20 people. I'm not going to name any of them. And there's, you know, roughly 20 people that, you know, have been working with him for a very long time. They've built unbelievable amounts of trust. They know how to they can almost read his mind and they know what he would want to have done in some situation.
And then they also know when they need to escalate a question to him. And this like you can't build this quickly. Mhm. >> It takes it kind of takes like a decade to really trust someone and to test the limits of what they can do and test that they can do things at the highest possible level and almost like be a proxy for you.
And I've actually never seen another entrepreneur that has done this the way that Elon has. >> I'm kind of thinking of uh Mr. Beast is the only person that I've ever heard of. He basically tried to clone himself and then he tried to have his like top lieutenants also clone themselves four three or four people each. >> I I know a little I live in LA so I know a little bit about Mr.
Beast the way he operates. I think that's a good analogy but for basically all the other entrepreneurs I know in Silicon Valley this is not how they operate and it's it's really a superpower for Elon. It's not easy to replicate. First of all, Elon is just one of the best judges of talent on the planet. And like I'm not going to name the person, but there's a very senior person that works for him who studied economics in college and they went in for like a final interview with Elon and he re he said, "You're not going to do bisdev, you're going to do
mechanical engineering." Because the person was he could just tell they're a very good engineer. and they literally studied economics. Um, and the person rose up to be a very senior engineer. And this is the type of thing that I just it's like you can't fake that. That is such a superpower to be able to meet some young kid straight out of college study economics and be like actually you have an engineering mind.
You're you're not doing bisdev. You're going to be a mechie. And so anyways, like he's an incredible read of talent and he gives people he gives people the rope to hang themselves. You know, like I I said people don't really know the difference between Falcon 1, Falcon 9, Starship. Like if you just go ask someone like, you know, what's the difference between these rockets? Unless someone cares a little bit about rockets or thinks about engineering, they're not going to know the difference at all.
But people can kind of intuitively they understand they can see a rocket landing and they can see the difference between oh like I can't tell the difference of the payload mass or the orbit you can get to >> it blows up or it lands >> if it blows up that's superlative or if like the rocket lands like this a new paradigm it's super superlative that I can understand. So, I don't know.
That's maybe how I, you know, doing an Optimus demo where you have the robot. I was at the Tesla event, call it a year ago or whatever, you know, in Hollywood at one of those. >> Yeah. The whole city that they built. >> The whole city that they built and they had a bunch of optimists walk out. And >> talking about that, that's the only other person that I know of that's built a city is Mr.
Beast >> for Beast Games, but gone. >> Yeah. one, SpaceX fully built a city and that Starship Starbase is now officially incorporated as a city, but like that showmanship of of like actually walking out 20 Optimuses or whatever it was like the way I mean my mind was pretty blown and I I think it's lost on video, but when they came out cuz they were walking from probably like 30 40 ft away from me down a road and I really couldn't tell like are these human actors or are they, you know, or are they robots? And you know, I was like, look, you're initially
you look at the face as you would with a human. And so then I started like looking down the body and then when you get to the waist, it was very narrow, you know, nonhumanlike. >> And so until I got to the waist, it looked like it could still be a human. And that's like, oh man. And I knew they because it's like the Tesla event and you know I knew it was going to be Optimuses but I wanted to verify it with my brain.
And when you see the torso is not human like it's a very kind of profound like oh wow this is actually a robot. Hell yeah we're getting closer to the f we're living in the future. So that's that superlative experience that I think has nonlinear benefit in the psychology where people start to understand. Okay, this is close.
This is real in a way that they can't understand just looking at a chart. And this is something I think part of why Elon is so good at attracting capital is because he's so good at kind of these milestone superlative events and moments that capture the imagination and and just like show you what's coming. >> I do worry about the population decline.
And this is a big big problem. >> Why is that? >> Well, I don't I don't want humanity to disappear. >> But a decline and disappear are completely different things, right? >> Well, if the trend continues to redisear, but but but also going back to, you know, my philosophy, if you will, which is that we want to expand consciousness, then fewer humans is worse because uh we have less consciousness.
>> Do you think consciousness will go up by virtue of the number of people in there? >> Yes. I mean just like consciousness increases from a single cell creature to you know a 30 trillion cell creature we're more conscious than a bacteria at least it seems that way. So a larger you know human population would be have increased consciousness.
We're more likely to understand the answers to the nature of the universe if we have a lot of more people than if we have fewer. >> I don't have kids. Well, it's uh maybe you should. >> Yeah, >> a lot of people tell me I should. >> You won't regret it. >> What's the best thing about having kids? >> Well, I mean, you've got this I mean, you've got this little creature that loves you and you love this little creature and uh you you I don't know.
you you kind of see the world through their eyes as they you know as they grow up and the their conscious awareness increases you know from a baby that has no idea what's going on can't survive by itself can't even walk around can't talk to you start walking them talking and then having interesting thoughts and um but but yeah I mean I I think we we fundamentally have to have kids or or go extinct you know it's like uh Is there any ego in having a child? I often think of this when I see my friends with their kids. They're all seeing a
reflection of themselves in their children. It's almost like, >> well, yeah. I mean, it's cuz Apple's not going to fall that far from the tree. Um, >> or something's wrong, >> right? >> You're like, wait a second. >> Yeah. The so I'll give I'll give you the example of a friend of mine who has a child and each time the child does something good.
>> Yeah. >> There is almost a sense of ownership and pride where his ego is satiated because the kid is like a extension of himself. So is it valid? I guess you're going to be like, you know, half you genetically and and then, you know, to the degree that they're like growing up around you, there there's going to be some transfer of I don't know understanding like they're going to learn from you.
So, so then you know, yeah, obviously kids are just, you know, going to be half Yeah, just half you from a hardware standpoint and and then and then like I don't know, some portion you from a software standpoint. you know, not to make sort of cold analogies or anything, but it's just they're just obviously going to be so yeah, they're going to be pretty close to to you.
>> Do you pick a side in the nature versus nurture debate? Um I think there's hardware and software and it's it's a it's a false dichotomy essentially at least there's you know once you understand that that a human is like there's there's a bone structure there's a muscle structure there's there's a there's a there's a if you think of the brain as somewhat of a biological computer there's a circuit efficient there's a number of circuits question and and circuit efficiency from a strength and dexterity standpoint
there's the there's a speed of which at which muscles can actuate and the and the reactions can take place. So then the potential within that hardware is set by the software. So that's a that's a Elon was on Lex's show a couple of years ago and I think Lex asked him some question like how are you doing? He replied and he said people think they want to be me.
They do not want to be me. They don't know. They don't understand. My mind is a storm. I'm like that's the price you need to pay to be Elon Musk. >> I think that was on this podcast. >> Was it this one? Yeah, because I asked him like, "What is it like to be you?" Like, he's like, "You wouldn't want to do it. You wouldn't want to be me.
" And you could tell like when you're in his eyes, like there's it's not a normal thought process. It's like this chaotic tornado of ideas that's running around in his head, >> you know, and sometimes he spits them out on Twitter and they're not good. >> Well, it's a problem when you own the platform, right? It's kind of I can say what I want. It's my own house.
>> Well, he can though. like, but he's like that all the time. He's fun. He's like what I would want to see from a guy who's a super genius. Like a playful guy who wants to go to Mars, who's making we like Jamie and I went on a tour of Starship, Starbase, what is it? SpaceX. Starbase, whatever the [ __ ] it is.
Uh, we saw the launch. We We went to the SpaceX launch and so we got a tour of the rocket factory, which is [ __ ] insane. >> It's so much more insane than I thought it was going to be. It's I mean I can't really I don't know how much we could even say but it is nuts. It's nuts. And the sheer quantity of rockets that they're making is mindblowing.
Like you're like I had no I thought they had a couple rockets you know just a couple rockets laying around. They're just making rockets. >> I'm pretty sure they've put more stuff into space just that one company than like the entirety of the load that's been transported into space globally up until now.
They put stuff in space for their competitors. Yeah. They They use their space rockets to put stuff in space for people that they're in competition with. They Yeah. They take the money. >> Show me the color. >> Yeah. We know how to do it. We We're better at it than you, so we'll do it. >> [ __ ] unbelievable, dude. >> It's kind of nuts.
>> I think about um that like the sort of person you need to be to drive that though. >> It's a different kind of person, right? Like that's what he wants to do and that's what he desires to do. And you know this gentleman talking about golf like this is a different this is that's a totally different thing cuz he's in a competition all the time you know and it's it's really hard to just enjoy the process when you're in this competition where especially if your livelihood depends upon a very specific result like
you have to be better at this thing than everybody else. not just do the best yourself, >> but better than the other people that are also doing their best. So, you're in this constant just never escaping this pressure. Fighters feel that, I think, more than anybody cuz it's like a actual physical person coming to harm you all the time.
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